Video games have turned my kids into wage slaves – but without the wages | Zoe Williams
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Gaming is task-driven, repetitive and often frustrating – just like having a job. Childhood isn’t supposed to be so serious, writes Zoe Williams
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Both of the games mentioned in the article are F2P titles intentionally designed to be tedious in some parts (and as addictive as possible) so that people spend money on it.

Since children usually don’t have easy access to the for pay features, they have to grind though it, which is what this article is about, but strangely without mentioning this particular aspect as if most games are like that.

Personally I think F2P games specifically targeting children and otherwise vulnerable (for gambling addiction) people need to be regulated as it is among the worst predatory behavior of gaming companies.

P.S.: f*ck EPIC and Tencent.

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Free games are never free. They contain a significant time investment to do anything “fun”, and often the social factor is the only reason they are even “fun” in the first place. The amount of time spent unlocking a “level 138 Diamond+ plasmasword” (idk) that could be purchased for $20 often means a player is working for less than any (reasonable) minimum wage.

Parents, consider actually buying games. Exceptions are FOSS games, which are usually full games in their own right. Stay away from mobile-only games and F2P.

There are some really great indie games out there.

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Parents, consider actually buying games. Exceptions are FOSS games, which are usually full games in their own right. Stay away from mobile-only games and F2P.

Yeah, definitely. But the problem with Fortnight at least is that it seems to have become a sort of social meeting place for many children. Really a shame that it has to be such a predatory game from such a shitty company.

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Interesting… she’s worried these games are like width, but her solution is to find one of her own… ok?

It’s an interesting point she’s making, and while i agree that games can be tedious and do kind of align with a bs job, she can easily limit her kids playing those kinds of games without fear they won’t be able to eat or have shelter.

No one works a bs job because they want to, but because they need the money.

While games are a source of entertainment. So im not really sure the point she’s trying to make here, besides games bad. Yes, they can be bad, but as a parent it’s you’re responsibility to limit that then. And before any one asks, yes i’m a parent.

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Do your kid/s cry when you don’t let them play on your mobile? Thats part of the problem addiction

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As someone with a lot of close friends and acquaintances over at Discord who have a ton of experience with gacha games and grind fests, I can tell you most games are designed to suck you off dry mentally. We have a joke “X game took our souls away”.

I have been a 4 year old Dokkan player, perhaps top 2 or 3 gachas globally, and it is the only F2P friendly gacha I know of that treats F2P players nicely instead of treating them like COD Mobile (stupid rank grind) or Genshin (bad summon rates) or DB Legends (absolute monstrous p2w design with metas changed every month) or Fate (bad summon rates) or 7ds (weird game) and so on. Most of it comes down to predatory gambling and forceful grinds that are extremely time investing.

It seems wrong though to quantify entertainment as a job. How can you explain any form of entertainment as a job, when it is leisure? Calling leisure a job is straight up some dystopian robotic slavery shit. And this article writer is a shithead if they really believe in what story they are trying to sell here.

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When kids exchange socialization with other kids and instead of enjoy the day stay in a room playing 8h a day is unhealthy both mentally/physically

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All people do not play 8 hours a day. I used to do that as a kid in my Counter Strike days on servers with Red Bull, a Lays bag and my chair, and I got over it quickly. Even kids do not keep doing that.

I hate generalisation. ARGHH why can people not stop generalising every damn thing in life and society?

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Well, I don’t think this article is trying to talk about you, but about some cohort. A group that got lost in games, and may not develop correctly to be a strong, healthy unit.

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When i talk 8h is with school-time included (Closed down)

about the cs part yes i played much has well sleeping on 4am, what changed is that when you were a kid you didn’t have your dad/mom cellphone to play games from young age or a ps4 waiting for you at home (Has i said on a young age) not 15 + years old

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TLDR: Severus’ cousin Zoe doesn’t get the silly nonsense the other kids are laughing about.

We live in a world where people are connecting electronically - instead of the playground, park, school etc. Many of these otherwise engaging places are now off-limits to kids without a parent hovering over them. Good luck being a kid and wanting to explore your neighborhood on your own. Enter the electronic game where a kid can have adventures to test their independent reasoning and reward their curiosity and their friends are waiting there to hang out too. Maybe she could focus on making her local park more welcoming and engaging.

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