So far I really like it, anyone else using it? I’m really considering setting up the discord bridge and just using revolt
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It’s not decentralized and e2ee is not implemented.
+1 for this
Matrix https://matrix.org is a decentralized alternative
there’s a wrapper for matrix Rocket Chat (a wrapper of matrix) https://www.rocket.chat/
Matrix only partially has e2ee and its e2ee is time based and breaks under high latency
Sometimes a public utility doesn’t need to be decentralized to function effectively
It helps, but also the lack of e2ee is a pretty hard sell…
then let me introduce you to IRC
Then Mastodon are not for you either. Nothing is stored encrypted there.
Mastodon is not a real time chat
Nope, it’s not. But Revolt and Mastodon share the same gimmic: no encryption. Why (as far as I know)? You can install these 2 on your own server, making you own your data and also handling the data. E2EE will not be important in that case (according to me). However, encryption (not E2EE) are important in any service.
Revolt and Mastodon aren’t even in the same ball park.
Nope, I know :) I just stated the encryption likeness between those 2. If the user don’t like and refuse to use Revolt because it’s not E2EE by default, then the user would have the same oppinion towards Mastodon. That’s all. Nothing more.
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Also just to clarify, we do think e2ee for direct messages on Mastodon would be awesome. Maybe unlisted posts, but I’m not sure how that’d work. Still, like they said, Mastodon is a public-first platform.
Honestly it’s just going from one bad app host (discord) to another that could be less bad but still has all your data (revolt). You can host your own revolt server but you won’t be able to join any of revolts servers. Matrix is just plain better for privacy and security. I do like to see more alternatives out there tho
The problem with matrix is that the standard isn’t standardized. Its constantly changing and the matrix server software is buggy
edit: just to be clear I’m not saying revolt is better
Can you go into more depth about why this is a problem on the server side? On client side, I found a few clients that work well and its been easy breezy since then.
The problem is that synapse is very touchy. I’ve had issues with broken encryption and messages not going though
XMPP it is, then.
If you like living in the 90’s
That’s like saying you can use email if you like living in the 70s-80s. XMPP is a pretty healthy and active project that is standardized like email and ActivityPub. I would consider XMPP pretty modern, especially considering its features, extensions, etc., as well as the numerous applications it is integrated in.
XMPP is also used in very popular games, consoles, and clients.
I recently tried to register in XMPP. I found a site on the Internet with a list of servers and it took me more than an 30minets to register.
You may ask why it took so long? The fact is that registration was closed on some sites. Some sites did not open through the browser.
I managed to register on some servers, but messages to these addresses were not delivered (messages sent from these addresses also did not reach the recipient).
Quick registration through the Conversations and Blabber applications also produced errors.
(One of the problematic servers is og.im)
In general, if you want to quickly register and start chatting with a friend without any problems, this may not work.
I think one recommended server added by default to the application by the developer could solve this problem. (For example, like in Matrix, where you are asked to register with matrix.org)
Have you tried one of these providers? https://providers.xmpp.net/
I didn’t have an issue with registration on macaw.me or monocles.de, but I haven’t used those accounts yet.
I just want the ability to send images, files and emojis. Last time I checked it couldn’t do that.
I will be honest, I haven’t came around to using XMPP myself yet, but I am pretty sure you are able to do all of those things, at least with the help of extensions. Here’s the XMPP standards that are currently stable or experimental:
Files/Images:
- XEP-0363: HTTP File Upload [Stable]
- XEP-0446: File metadata element [Experimental]
- XEP-0447: Stateless file sharing [Experimental]
- XEP-0448: Encryption for stateless file sharing [Experimental]
Emojis/Stickers:
- XEP-0444: Message Reactions [Experimental]
- XEP-0449: Stickers [Experimental]
Looking at clients, I see various ones that have at least some of the features you are looking for (especially file and image sharing, I haven’t found a client that has explicitly implemented the stickers specification yet, but Movim seems to have them):
I would give it some more time. It seems those features are in development, but this is essentially an alternative to Matrix that is more standardized. It’s a widely adopted and integrated protocol, so I don’t doubt the features you are looking for will become more fleshed out some day.
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You’re free and welcome to use encryption very frequently. Matrix also keeps a list of everyone who has read each and every message.
Such is life being on the internet, really.
You couldn’t stop it even on IRC. At least here you can host your own Matrix instance.
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Most important to me: Which of them is easier to self-host?
I’ve been running a Mumble server for my friends for over a decade now and I’d like… something more without having to get too technical. Mumble is literally just a single apt-get and you’re basically done, so that’s about the level of technical expertise that I bring to the table. I’ve tentatively looked into other solutions over the years but I always feel my attention drifting when the setup-tutorial covers multiple pages and starts with manually configuring some database or certificate authority or whatever. Sorry, I didn’t mean for this to get too ranty.
I settled on XMPP for general chat. Very easy to set up, doesn’t eat much resources. I did think about trying Matrix, but I am afraid it would eat up too much resources, especially disk space.
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Why not Element/Matrix?
Revolt is simple and works almost exactly the same as Discord. Element requires understanding federation, and it’s “spaces” feature is not the same as Discord “servers”.
How is it different from discord?
way different, it’s open source
- Doesn’t track you like discord does to remain “free”
- You audit the code for security and privacy issues
- You can self-host or fork the code for yourself if you ever need to build a backup because some idiot decided to purchase the original revolt project and decided to screw with it
- It has an open source license so the software can never be privatized, it’s essentially a public utility; for everyone by everyone
Our Story:
The Revolt project originally started back in 2019 by a group of three students from the United Kingdom and the Czech Republic, looking for an alternative to the already emerging, closed-source chat platforms. Our main focus for the project was to create an open-source, completely compromise-free platform that offered all of the same features and competed against other chat apps
- Revolt is made with collaborative effort, and if you like coding it makes it so if you can to try and code stuff to add custom functionality or plugins or whatever else. Like a public utility you can add to it and develop it communally, though in this case it would be a public utility serving a public with a population of just you. But because of the GPL license Revolt uses, it makes it so that you need to share your changes. Whatever form the source code takes, it remains a public utility until perpetuity.
I’d like to know, too. Especially considering most servers I’m on are unlikely to switch.
They only thing missing is voice for gaming.
Really wish that IRC allowed to have all the new bells and whistles that Discord has. Avatars, in-line images and videos, streaming rooms, etc…
matrix?
Is matrix not a separate protocol?
yet another other miserable attempt at doing IRC
It has been a long time since I used IRC, but or it has changed a lot or it’s not similar.
Could you send inline images? Could you assign granular permission and roles ? Can have several rooms with access and visibility control of each of them? Can you make audio rooms? Can you react to mensages?
Right. Discord, Revolt, Guilded etc. are heavily inspired by IRC but they modernized it by adding more features. Right now they are so much more than IRC.
I’ve never had the need for any of those things. A text-only chat is a cleaner and better chat. Specially reactions, those are rather absurd and irritating.
Audio is definitely a different use case, and Mumble works great for that. You can just host both on the same domain and be done with it. You could even write a client that supports both IRC and Mumble if you wanted to, instead of constantly reinventing the wheel.
And I’m sure you could implement in-line images in IRC if you wanted, after all Twitch’s chat is IRC and they have images.
Show me an IRC where I can share images and then jump into a jitsi voice call or whatever, I’d use it every day. I’m in discord, matrix, all of this shit. I mostly wanna send memes to a few friends 😮💨
Edit: reactions are pretty sweet in my eyes btw. I use a lot of emojis.
A lot of Lemmy people seem to vehemently hate emojis
Cool 😋
With centralization and prebuilt integration’s disadvantages comes extreme convenience. And I like sending images of random things I see and would like to share.
Remember: Revolt =\ Revolut
Revolt was okay when I briefly used it, however I don’t like the developers
Are you maybe confusing it with? https://www.revolut.com/en-US/
Never heard of it
What’s up with them?
They are uninformed politicaly and have banned people for saying there Christian. (So I’ve been told)
It also is a centralized service
banned people for saying there Christian.
Huh, that’s some shitty behavior if true.
It also is a decentralized service
Did you mean to say the opposite? It’s not like Matrix, servers can’t communicate with each other, they’re all standalone
Sounds nice but we all know the majority won’t make the switch from Discord so it’s sadly but most probably a stillbirth.
The only stillbirth here is discord.
Huh? Discord is very much alive and popular.
You’re right, that was a crap insult. Discord is just such garbage. Like its so sad to see discord become this naughty gamer queer safe space that… Takes all of this data, doesn’t sell it, just gives it to shareholders that have bought in. Its disgusting.
Sad but true.
What communities are there on Revolt? Anything big? Like GrapheneOS, Linux Mint, Signal, Monero?
I know that Matrix has their communities.
I tried self hosting my own using their docker compose file. The text chat works just fine and is lovely but the voice part was totally broken for me. To be fair it explicitly says in the settings page they’re rewriting the entire voice subsystem so I’ll try again in the future
How can I search for Revolt communities?
there probably is a list on the revolt discord 😵💫
Revolut is a different thing
I’ve heard they like to ban people for disagreeing with them or being christian. So no, I’ll just stay away.
Also it seems pretty centralized so there is no reason they couldn’t start do something questionable
Really? That sounds fucked up but I don’t trust hearsay so easily.
banned me because i said i believe in god
freedom of religion is a human right bruh i did not say anything but i believe in god the banned me and claimed i was being homophobic 1. i said nothing about it 2. stfu even if i was
oh by the way you can shut with your among us memes
🤔
Wait WHAT
Does this have any proof?
No but there are multiple posts about it so I am inclined to believe them
Could you send the other ones?
Nah I think I prefer Matrix. The Revolt servers have that same unproductive samesy flair as discord.
Femboy server uwu cutesy safe (but slightly horny) space. Trans programmer server yay!!It’s all junk. Matrix has less, but the servers I’m in are trying to do something new. They’re trying to fight the patterns and habits and create something more mindful, safe, and engaging.
Sounds like these are the only servers you’ve joined
Hmm? I just scrolled through 100 of the top Revolt servers.
I just counted them, assuming you mean the first 100 servers featured in the discover tab. I counted only 6 like what you were talking about, 3 that use it while talking about inclusivity, 5 about anime / japanese games (you should know what I mean), and 1 that associates it with Linux so I don’t know if it’s joking or not.
