Morning comrades,

wondering about this for a long time now. I’ve recently watched this Slavoj Žižek video and I was wondering about some further strategy. We should really focus on the “after” a whole lot more IMHO and show the people a “positive outlook” as a viable alternative to the looming oppression.

Thoughts? A confused Ancom ;)

  • @Restioson
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    35 years ago

    I feel like “after” is a bit contentious, especially as anarchists have many different ideas about how the economy should run… syndicalism, collectivism, mutualism, or something else. I wonder personally whether we could work something like participatory planning into it, but idk.

    • @pojntfxOP
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      5 years ago

      Yeah, that definitely is a good point. As Emerican Johnson showed in his fiction, such coexistence might work just fine!

      • DessalinesA
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        25 years ago

        I’m super partial to Paul Cockshott’s cyber-communist system, here’s a good intro vid for it.

        • @pojntfxOP
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          25 years ago

          Looks interesting, thanks for sharing!

  • @theloneforager
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    25 years ago

    There is no ‘after’. Is ‘the revolution’ is never over, because there is always work to do with de-constructing hierarchies and ensuring they don’t emerge - taking down the state and capitalism and instituting communes is far from enough.

    Nevermind that ‘the revolution’ in the strictest sense is so hard to define.

  • IriYan
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    19 months ago

    Far too many have been disillusioned and confused by propaganda and baseless mythology in this greater area of thought. If we don’t make it a priority to clear up the smoke and fog around our “area” we will tolerate and remanufacture this pathology, speaking of the revolution as an “event”.

    There are two significantly different paths to radical anti-capitalism, one based on the political/ideological vanguard carrying out the process, the other believes in endless social revolution, the replacement of value(s) and principles in social organization. Leninism and all those that believe that a small group of ideology driven members will cause/start/create the revolution, the state and economy, or just the economy, will be dismantled and replaced, and there will be a next day where “their” choices will be enforced on everyone, they avoid speaking of the authority structure that is created by this actor and the rest of society. And I’d say, what if it backfires, and this so called revolution ends up causing famine, malnutrition, lack of access to drinkable water, energy/heat/transport, and becomes an enormous urban and suburban genocide. Will this ideological leader/vanguard or the ideology they represent, take the responsibility for the disaster? Some will say yes, Marxism-Leninism took the responsibility for the disastrous social experiment that left half of Europe as capitalist as ever before and the other half as a neo-Nazi revival of the 1930s. Luckily there hasn’t been an anarchist vanguard to cause such massive harm and misery.

    The libertarian proposal to anti-capitalism is vastly different, but can’t seem to get the ball rolling as CNT did more than a century ago, and that was a libertarian federation of worker unions, not society or community organized from the ground up under libertarian principles and ideals.

    Will sexism/racism/ethnocentrism/patriarchy be diminished the day after some “event” called revolution? Or will it take generations for humanity to recover and become sane again? Is political equality perceived as essential as socialists perceive economic equality (while constructing an endless political inequality and military type of hierarchy)? If not, who is revolting and to whom are they enforcing their revolution on?

    We live in a world vastly different than Marx and Kropotkin knew. The workers hardly ever have a consiousness as such, managers in endless levels are visible but the “owners of the means of production” are invisible and generally unknown (financial market fluidity). So we are fighting an invisible enemy of an invisible/imaginary lifestyle. Meanwhile we have laundered the snitches of work, managers, who blackmail us daily, as “working people with false consciousness”, just to provide support for the autistic Marxist ideology, remotely different from what Marx wrote, Marxist clergy use the holly book to justify their superiority. Then, outside the workplace, in our daily lives outside work, we have no theory. No theory on the reason a spouse abuses a spouse, or terrorizes her/him, a child, the teacher, the cop, the officer to the soldier, the clergy of the local religious organization, … but we speak of revolution without addressing how all this would ever change.

    Based on the population size, and the size of urban centers, and the fact this is 50% of the total, lack of social organization means suicide. So there is great amounts of work needed to construct (not destroy) community autonomy and organization before ANY revolution can BEGIN, let alone speculate for the next day AFTER. If libertarian social organization prevails it will be up to the community to decide the next day and the day after that, not us to dictate what that should be.

    Vanguardism is more authoritarian and hierarchical than representative democracy, it has no place in anti-authoritarian/libertarian thought and action. A true libertarian political organization would be one committed to serve and obey communal organization not to rule and dictate on them. If a political organization can’t commit to this they are just a closet Bolsevic attempting to cease power and force their ideation on people, enslaving them rather than freeing them.

  • I'm back on my BS 🤪
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    19 months ago

    Personally, I’ll want to indulge in all of the liberated wealth, freedom from travel restrictions, and grow communities. I’ll probably want to make more friends since people won’t be so exhausted by the grind and figuring how to move up the social ladder. I’d definitely go see a doctor and chat about my concerns since they won’t be bogged down by endless bureaucracy and fear of lawsuits or punishment from violating some administrative policy. Maybe have weird sex too. Who knows? I can’t imagine what life would be like if everyone was finally free. That would be such a new experience, I don’t know what daily life would feel like.