By Tyler Lyons On My Life Before Joining the Party Long before the onset of the COVID pandemic, I was struggling with my political identity. I had been disillusioned with…
Yeah exactly, its like they cant fathom that white americans are (mostly) proletarians too, and thus too feel proletarian patriotism. I personally believe the USA is a multinational nation. Many different nations, the indigenous nations, the black nation, the chicano nation, the irish nation, the english nation, the italian nation, have now all been united in 1 plurinational nation by 300 years of common history. And while yes, this history has been incredibly exploitative to some of those nations, that doesnt mean a common bond hasnt been created. In Russia, all the cultures oppressed by the Empire had nevertheless a common bond between them and the russian nation, which then resulted in the soviet nation, a common multinational nation. I personally believe a socialist USA should be based on the soviet model. All the languages suppressed in favor of anglocentrism should be revived and made official. Italian, spanish, indigenous languages, should be revived and made official languages, just like it was done in USSR. This is the type of patriotism americans should strive for imo, a patriotism that applies to all americans, english, irish, italian, black, indigenous, a common patriotism that nevertheless recognizes the right of self determination of all the nations oppressed by the bourgeois USA state.
I too view it similarly, and the left here need to really to start imagining a better future. Sure the Third World will be painted red first, but us Yanks need to start dismantling the imperial core and reclaim it for everyone. And I mean everyone, even those “backward hicks” leftists love to dunk on. I can go more into what I have been noticing with the neglect of country folk and poor anglos and why a good portion turn to extremism because if it and overall orientalism towards them, but this thread is getting long so I might make a post or write a pamphlet. Dunno still a baby ML, lol.
Yes i agree. Many here often dismiss the trump movement as “just some racist fascists”, but i think thats simplistic. There is a reason the Trump movement has been so successful, even among some nonwhites. While there is certainly a very big chunk of Trump supporters who are straight up bigots and white supremacists, there is also a big chunk that isnt. Working class americans know there is something wrong with the system, but they dont know why. Their indoctrination makes them distrust communism, and i also think this pervasive “antipatriotism” doesnt help either. Many americans do feel indeed patriotic, in the wrong way sure, in a bourgeois way, but you should teach them proletarian patriotism, not just cut them off as “reactionaries”.
Trumps populism, its appeal to “reclaim America” from the “evil liberal democrat elites”, will ofc sound appealing to many working class americans. I think the american communists have forgotten that communism is inherently populist, that simple slogans are needed to rally the masses. Trump knows this, and thats why he was so effective. “America first” resonates perfectly, on the surface at least. American communist need to learn from the Trump movement, take his effective populist strategies, and apply them against the bourgeoisie. After all, it was “Peace, Land and Bread” that won the masses to the bolsheviks. American communists need similar slogans, something like “America is for the people, not for the elites”.
I highly recommend Caleb Maupins youtube channel. Despite idiots here calling him “a nazbol”, he is anything but a nazbol. Hes antiracist, proLGBT, antiimperialist and ML. He has some interesting perspectives on certain issues, highly recommend:
It seems that unassuming trump supporters have material condition s of class consciousness, but don’t have the words or really information to describe it as communism. Lol maybe a better catch phrase than that, something with more umph. Now before I dive in isn’t there somereal issues with Maupin, or is it just his supporters?
Yeah exactly, trump supporters who arent like white supremacists have been fooled. They know that the system is wrong, but they have been fooled that “coastal commie liberals” are the problem, not capitalism. I mean, you should just listen to Maupin and see for yourself. I have never heard him say anything “problematic”. People call him a fascist because hes an american patriot, but weve already seen that thats bs. Now there are some people associated with him, such as Infrared, that do have certain problematic opinions, such as homophobia or using alt right rhethoric (“globalists” “cabal” “degenerates” and so on), but Caleb doesnt share those opinions.
I am watching one of his lectures right now and he seems pretty based afait. Is it Yankee MLs who are calling him a Nazbol? I mean sure he has the look and voice of an alt right but that’s just surface level stuff, I’ll follow him for a while and go through his stuff to really catch glimpse of him. Him come there’s pictures if him with fascist tho, I can understand an interview even if is not the best execution but why is there pics with them side by side? Again no bloodlust just curiosity
Yes, its american leftists (both MLs and Vaush type liberals) who call him nazbol. What fascist do you mean? Alexander Dugin? If you mean Dugin, first of all Dugin isnt a fascist, hes more of a feudalist/monarchist i would say, he wants to restore the russian empire, but he isnt like racist, he doesnt wanna exterminate other ethnicities like nazis do. Definetely a reactionary, but not a fascist. Afaik Caleb has associated with Dugin a few times for antiimperialist purposes, but doesnt share his beliefs.
To see Calebs positions i recommend this short talk he had with Vaush. Spoiler alert, Vaush calls him a nazi for not believing the uyghur genocide and supporting China xD
Also to add on Caleb, id say he has a good track record of being a progressive activist. He was an important figure in the 2011 Occupy Wall Street protests. He has traveled to many progressive countries like Venezuela, Cuba, Iran, Russia and China, met with their leadership (low level leadership, like diplomats and ministers) and shown their support for them. He has worked at RT and PressTV for many years. He also traveled to Yemen to report on the brutal crimes committed by the US backed Saudi army.
So I am almost done with that Vaush debate and he seems just like a normal ML. So people are frustrated that he even mentions patriotism? Wow. It also seems that unaffiliated groups with actual issues, are associated with Caleb for no reason then, right?
Yeah, as far as i know, hes a normal ML. This is why i never understood the insane hate he gets over here. Pretty much the only difference with people here is that he supports patriotism and hes against land back. Keep in mind tho, that hes not against it because “hes racist against indigenous people”, but rather because of 2 things. First, he believes its unnecessary, since under socialism wealth and land would be redistributed, thus erasing the economical consequences of colonialism, which is what land back is about. Second, he believes that calling white americans “settlers” who need to be “decolonized” makes communism unappealing to white working class americans, so he opposes land back. Now you can agree with that or not, i personally support land back, but nevertheless its a minor disagreement.
On Caleb associating himself with certain movements, its important to understand this. Caleb believes that, since after the collapse of the USSR communism was weakened so much, and especially in the USA, that a tactical alliance of communists with other groups with shared goals is needed. This is not something unique to him, the Russian Communist Party formed together with nationalist parties (including Dugins nazbol party) in 1991 the “National Salvation Front”, a broad antiYeltsin coalition containing communists, socialists, nationalists, nazbols and ultranationalists. They had very different ideologies, from far left to far right, but had 1 goal, toppling Yeltsin the US puppet. Caleb believes this should be done in the US. For example, he has advocated in the past for an alliance between the left and antiwar libertarians/republicans such as Ronald Ernest Paul or Rand Paul. This is why he supported Donald Trump in the 2016 election, because Trump claimed to be antiwar. Ofc that turned out to be a lie, Trump continued the wars in Syria and Yemen, threatened China and assassinated Qassem Soleimani.
So, for the reasons above, Caleb has a kind of “open door policy”, meaning that as long as you are opposed to western imperialism and arent a literal nazi, he will be willing to cooperate with you. This is why he associated with Dugin for example. Dugin is anticommunist, but is also antiwest. Caleb also has a think tank called CPI (Center for Political Innovation). There the policies are stricter, its an explicitly ML antiracist antiimperialist organization. Nevertheless, the organization doesnt take a stance against social conservatism, because Caleb believes the USA communist movement is weak enough to split it even more over abortion or LGBT rights. So yes, you do find some CPI members who are antiabortion or bigoted towards LGBT people. Caleb doesnt share those views tho.
Yeah exactly, its like they cant fathom that white americans are (mostly) proletarians too, and thus too feel proletarian patriotism. I personally believe the USA is a multinational nation. Many different nations, the indigenous nations, the black nation, the chicano nation, the irish nation, the english nation, the italian nation, have now all been united in 1 plurinational nation by 300 years of common history. And while yes, this history has been incredibly exploitative to some of those nations, that doesnt mean a common bond hasnt been created. In Russia, all the cultures oppressed by the Empire had nevertheless a common bond between them and the russian nation, which then resulted in the soviet nation, a common multinational nation. I personally believe a socialist USA should be based on the soviet model. All the languages suppressed in favor of anglocentrism should be revived and made official. Italian, spanish, indigenous languages, should be revived and made official languages, just like it was done in USSR. This is the type of patriotism americans should strive for imo, a patriotism that applies to all americans, english, irish, italian, black, indigenous, a common patriotism that nevertheless recognizes the right of self determination of all the nations oppressed by the bourgeois USA state.
I too view it similarly, and the left here need to really to start imagining a better future. Sure the Third World will be painted red first, but us Yanks need to start dismantling the imperial core and reclaim it for everyone. And I mean everyone, even those “backward hicks” leftists love to dunk on. I can go more into what I have been noticing with the neglect of country folk and poor anglos and why a good portion turn to extremism because if it and overall orientalism towards them, but this thread is getting long so I might make a post or write a pamphlet. Dunno still a baby ML, lol.
Yes i agree. Many here often dismiss the trump movement as “just some racist fascists”, but i think thats simplistic. There is a reason the Trump movement has been so successful, even among some nonwhites. While there is certainly a very big chunk of Trump supporters who are straight up bigots and white supremacists, there is also a big chunk that isnt. Working class americans know there is something wrong with the system, but they dont know why. Their indoctrination makes them distrust communism, and i also think this pervasive “antipatriotism” doesnt help either. Many americans do feel indeed patriotic, in the wrong way sure, in a bourgeois way, but you should teach them proletarian patriotism, not just cut them off as “reactionaries”.
Trumps populism, its appeal to “reclaim America” from the “evil liberal democrat elites”, will ofc sound appealing to many working class americans. I think the american communists have forgotten that communism is inherently populist, that simple slogans are needed to rally the masses. Trump knows this, and thats why he was so effective. “America first” resonates perfectly, on the surface at least. American communist need to learn from the Trump movement, take his effective populist strategies, and apply them against the bourgeoisie. After all, it was “Peace, Land and Bread” that won the masses to the bolsheviks. American communists need similar slogans, something like “America is for the people, not for the elites”.
I highly recommend Caleb Maupins youtube channel. Despite idiots here calling him “a nazbol”, he is anything but a nazbol. Hes antiracist, proLGBT, antiimperialist and ML. He has some interesting perspectives on certain issues, highly recommend:
https://youtube.com/c/CalebMaupinTV
It seems that unassuming trump supporters have material condition s of class consciousness, but don’t have the words or really information to describe it as communism. Lol maybe a better catch phrase than that, something with more umph. Now before I dive in isn’t there somereal issues with Maupin, or is it just his supporters?
Yeah exactly, trump supporters who arent like white supremacists have been fooled. They know that the system is wrong, but they have been fooled that “coastal commie liberals” are the problem, not capitalism. I mean, you should just listen to Maupin and see for yourself. I have never heard him say anything “problematic”. People call him a fascist because hes an american patriot, but weve already seen that thats bs. Now there are some people associated with him, such as Infrared, that do have certain problematic opinions, such as homophobia or using alt right rhethoric (“globalists” “cabal” “degenerates” and so on), but Caleb doesnt share those opinions.
I am watching one of his lectures right now and he seems pretty based afait. Is it Yankee MLs who are calling him a Nazbol? I mean sure he has the look and voice of an alt right but that’s just surface level stuff, I’ll follow him for a while and go through his stuff to really catch glimpse of him. Him come there’s pictures if him with fascist tho, I can understand an interview even if is not the best execution but why is there pics with them side by side? Again no bloodlust just curiosity
Yes, its american leftists (both MLs and Vaush type liberals) who call him nazbol. What fascist do you mean? Alexander Dugin? If you mean Dugin, first of all Dugin isnt a fascist, hes more of a feudalist/monarchist i would say, he wants to restore the russian empire, but he isnt like racist, he doesnt wanna exterminate other ethnicities like nazis do. Definetely a reactionary, but not a fascist. Afaik Caleb has associated with Dugin a few times for antiimperialist purposes, but doesnt share his beliefs.
To see Calebs positions i recommend this short talk he had with Vaush. Spoiler alert, Vaush calls him a nazi for not believing the uyghur genocide and supporting China xD
https://youtu.be/hPclz6YJzvk
Also to add on Caleb, id say he has a good track record of being a progressive activist. He was an important figure in the 2011 Occupy Wall Street protests. He has traveled to many progressive countries like Venezuela, Cuba, Iran, Russia and China, met with their leadership (low level leadership, like diplomats and ministers) and shown their support for them. He has worked at RT and PressTV for many years. He also traveled to Yemen to report on the brutal crimes committed by the US backed Saudi army.
So I am almost done with that Vaush debate and he seems just like a normal ML. So people are frustrated that he even mentions patriotism? Wow. It also seems that unaffiliated groups with actual issues, are associated with Caleb for no reason then, right?
Yeah, as far as i know, hes a normal ML. This is why i never understood the insane hate he gets over here. Pretty much the only difference with people here is that he supports patriotism and hes against land back. Keep in mind tho, that hes not against it because “hes racist against indigenous people”, but rather because of 2 things. First, he believes its unnecessary, since under socialism wealth and land would be redistributed, thus erasing the economical consequences of colonialism, which is what land back is about. Second, he believes that calling white americans “settlers” who need to be “decolonized” makes communism unappealing to white working class americans, so he opposes land back. Now you can agree with that or not, i personally support land back, but nevertheless its a minor disagreement.
On Caleb associating himself with certain movements, its important to understand this. Caleb believes that, since after the collapse of the USSR communism was weakened so much, and especially in the USA, that a tactical alliance of communists with other groups with shared goals is needed. This is not something unique to him, the Russian Communist Party formed together with nationalist parties (including Dugins nazbol party) in 1991 the “National Salvation Front”, a broad antiYeltsin coalition containing communists, socialists, nationalists, nazbols and ultranationalists. They had very different ideologies, from far left to far right, but had 1 goal, toppling Yeltsin the US puppet. Caleb believes this should be done in the US. For example, he has advocated in the past for an alliance between the left and antiwar libertarians/republicans such as Ronald Ernest Paul or Rand Paul. This is why he supported Donald Trump in the 2016 election, because Trump claimed to be antiwar. Ofc that turned out to be a lie, Trump continued the wars in Syria and Yemen, threatened China and assassinated Qassem Soleimani.
So, for the reasons above, Caleb has a kind of “open door policy”, meaning that as long as you are opposed to western imperialism and arent a literal nazi, he will be willing to cooperate with you. This is why he associated with Dugin for example. Dugin is anticommunist, but is also antiwest. Caleb also has a think tank called CPI (Center for Political Innovation). There the policies are stricter, its an explicitly ML antiracist antiimperialist organization. Nevertheless, the organization doesnt take a stance against social conservatism, because Caleb believes the USA communist movement is weak enough to split it even more over abortion or LGBT rights. So yes, you do find some CPI members who are antiabortion or bigoted towards LGBT people. Caleb doesnt share those views tho.