By Tyler Lyons On My Life Before Joining the Party Long before the onset of the COVID pandemic, I was struggling with my political identity. I had been disillusioned with…
Not trying to super get involved in this conversation but I just wanted to say I am an American and I can see quality in both sides of the argument. I’m kind of a centrist about it. I personally would find it hard to call myself a “patriot” unless I was trying to, in a sense, lie to get people on board with MLism. I definitely am not hard against it though. “Patriot” has so much baggage in American culture, it’s almost synonymous with fascism, the more universal definition of the word that you’re using though I can vibe with.
Absolutely, US is in the kind of unique situation since even the discussion about state and nation is a riverlike topic, so the patriotism is the same.
However, the entire “patsoc” issue smells like fed op to divide american comrades from the rest of the world, coming to such absurd even in this thread it’s completely unbelievable for me.
Thank you! Finally someone with critical thought! This is exactly what i thought, i think americans MLs are conditioned to view patriotism very negatively due to how jingoistic and warmongering US “patriotism” is. I definetely understand that sentiment. I also understand not feeling very patriotic for whatever reason, i have never been very patriotic. But since i became ML, i realized that ive always loved the people, ive always liked helping others, even if they are strangers, and if you think about it, how is that not patriotism? I think thats much more patriotic than licking the flag and singing the anthem while being a selfish jerk.
I also want to make clear that, for me, patriotism doesnt necessarily mean liking/respecting/feeling pride towards state symbols such as the flag or the anthem. For example, i can understand why ML americans would feel disgust towards the flag and anthem of the USA, given its legacy of genocide, colonialism, slavery, imperialism, etc. I feel the same with the spanish state. I feel 0 pride or respect for the spanish flag, anthem or king, since these are reactionary symbols imposed on us by the fascist Franco regime. Rather, i feel much more patriotism towards the flag and anthem of the Second Spanish Republic. Under that flag and anthem, we were marching towards socialism, which is why i feel it represents the spanish people much better than all this monarchist bs.
So yeah, i understand if americans dont feel patriotic, thats ok. But plz stop these insane attacks on anyone who points out that yes, patriotism and communism go hand in hand. In the EU, jingoistic “patriotism” doesnt really exist besides the far right, so thats why patriotism doesnt really have a negative connotation here.
Not trying to super get involved in this conversation but I just wanted to say I am an American and I can see quality in both sides of the argument. I’m kind of a centrist about it. I personally would find it hard to call myself a “patriot” unless I was trying to, in a sense, lie to get people on board with MLism. I definitely am not hard against it though. “Patriot” has so much baggage in American culture, it’s almost synonymous with fascism, the more universal definition of the word that you’re using though I can vibe with.
Absolutely, US is in the kind of unique situation since even the discussion about state and nation is a riverlike topic, so the patriotism is the same.
However, the entire “patsoc” issue smells like fed op to divide american comrades from the rest of the world, coming to such absurd even in this thread it’s completely unbelievable for me.
Thank you! Finally someone with critical thought! This is exactly what i thought, i think americans MLs are conditioned to view patriotism very negatively due to how jingoistic and warmongering US “patriotism” is. I definetely understand that sentiment. I also understand not feeling very patriotic for whatever reason, i have never been very patriotic. But since i became ML, i realized that ive always loved the people, ive always liked helping others, even if they are strangers, and if you think about it, how is that not patriotism? I think thats much more patriotic than licking the flag and singing the anthem while being a selfish jerk.
I also want to make clear that, for me, patriotism doesnt necessarily mean liking/respecting/feeling pride towards state symbols such as the flag or the anthem. For example, i can understand why ML americans would feel disgust towards the flag and anthem of the USA, given its legacy of genocide, colonialism, slavery, imperialism, etc. I feel the same with the spanish state. I feel 0 pride or respect for the spanish flag, anthem or king, since these are reactionary symbols imposed on us by the fascist Franco regime. Rather, i feel much more patriotism towards the flag and anthem of the Second Spanish Republic. Under that flag and anthem, we were marching towards socialism, which is why i feel it represents the spanish people much better than all this monarchist bs.
So yeah, i understand if americans dont feel patriotic, thats ok. But plz stop these insane attacks on anyone who points out that yes, patriotism and communism go hand in hand. In the EU, jingoistic “patriotism” doesnt really exist besides the far right, so thats why patriotism doesnt really have a negative connotation here.