• AgreeableLandscape☭@lemmygrad.ml
      181·
      2 years ago

      Aboriginal tribes in North America, Australia, Hawai’i, etc lived in tight knit, highly cooperative groups, and held many communist ideals, such as no private property or capital.

      But suuure. They were uncivilized savages huh? They were more civilized than those European explorers I’ll tell you that.

        • AgreeableLandscape☭@lemmygrad.ml
          151·
          2 years ago

          Yup, the vast majority of human history, from early hominids, to the rise of homo sapiens, to just before the common area, was communal. Then feudalism took over for a while, and capitalism was only in the last few generations.

          “But human nature!”

        • cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml
          31·
          2 years ago

          But isn’t communism by definition a post-scarcity society if we are to apply “from each according to their ability, to each according to their needs” and therefore extremely highly developed productive forces are a pre-requisite for communism?

          I don’t think you can have communism without industry, automation, advanced technology and mass production.

          • Marxist Jo 🏳️‍⚧️@lemmygrad.ml
            5·
            2 years ago

            It’s what Marx called primitive communism, where the productive forces were not developed enough for any excess. Everyone was forced to work in common and share everything (otherwise they could easily die from not being able to hunt one day). When the productive forces increased and there was some excess, classes could form because one class worked while the other took the excess of that labour

            • cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml
              11·
              2 years ago

              Yes, and to my mind “primitive communism” (not a huge fan of that term btw) is not the same thing as actual communism and in fact has very little to do with it other than superficial resemblence in terms of the social relations.