Wow, I thought it was going to be some sort of slip-up, but no. They just straight up admit he obstructed the election. They’re not even coy about it.
He really does know the best people.
This is the textbook play. If you can’t obfuscate that it happened, you brazenly embrace it as though there is nothing wrong with it.
But that doesn’t work in court, only in the media.
It’s pretty obvious that he’s playing for either nullification or a political solution.
And, chances are good that he’ll get one.
He doesn’t care what happens in court because unless he is sentenced before he takes office, he doesn’t even have to figure out if he can pardon himself. And in that sense, more is not better. 3 (or 4) strong cases against him on Jan 20th doesn’t matter because he can just tell his AG to keep firing people until this goes away.
He doesn’t have to win in court, he has to to win the election.
He may only need to win the nomination. I could see his lawyers arguing that “you can’t disrupt an election by convicting one of the candidates”.
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He really does know the best people.
All the best people probably told him he has no case so he found some incompetent whackos who will argue whatever he wants them to.
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Well this is an easy block. Fuck off racist.
Account less than an hour old. Made to “troll”, im sure.
Very “original”.Also got banned, nice.
Such a lazy troll too.
Back in the day, a troll would manipulate people into embarassing themselves or getting into arguements, then walk away from the shitshow they’d caused.
These ‘trolls’ do the equivalent of shit in their pants for attention.
It’s such a shame. Good trolls are slow burns, and most most importantly they’re not personally invested in the topic. Honestly I compare it to comedy. A comic is on stage and points out something about a topic that on its face is comedic but then you stop and think and realize the absurdity of it and that absurdity is why it’s comedic in the first place. A good troll is one that starts an argument between people who share beliefs and it should develop in such a way that people can take a step back and realize the absurdity of what they’re arguing about. It should result in growth for all the parties and observers involved to realize that they’re arguing over stupid meaningless stuff and that there are bigger problems than whatever they’ve spent who knows how long bickering about.
But it’s just developed into snatching low hanging fruit and simply getting a rise out of people by simply saying slurs or bigoted comments.
T_D leaking again after all these years?
Can you give us a link to back up those numbers?
Excuse me if I don’t hold my breath.
The mere fact he’s still likely to win the next election is such an embarassment. I’m not American but it’s genuinely worrying if you’re European too. You just know he’ll cave to Russia within days of being elected.
If you’re Ukrainian it’s horrible. Putin has no motive to stop the war till after the election. If Trump wins, he’ll do his best to fuck over Ukraine and help Putin.
And I know there’s a sizeable amount of Trump supporters in Taiwan and Trump likes to go on about being tough on China, but given Trump admires Xi, those in power have got to be worried about the prospect of a second Trump term too.
On the plus side, I hope that Europe has finally realized we can’t rely on the US, and need to rebuild our defense industry. Obviously, that doesn’t necessarily serve US interests, as we may be forced to side with China on certain issues against a beligerent US administration.
Where are you getting this “fact that he’s likely to win” ? He didn’t win the last one and he’s worse off this time. Also there are loads of new voters who are finally old enough to vote that are sick of all the anti-abortion anti-LGBTQ stuff the right has been pushing the last 4 years. If you regurgitate that rhetoric it’s more likely to happen.
Aggregated polling data:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/
Trump is invariably within the margin of error. Add a bit of election interference, a third candidate to siphon votes, some gerry mandering, a bit of help from a partisan supreme court, …
If you regurgitate that rhetoric it’s more likely to happen.
I have a related degree.
An important way republicans will try to win the election for Trump, is to target democratic voters with propaganda which suggests that Biden is certain to win or that he’s more right wing than he actually is, thereby lowering democratic turnout.
They know they won’t convince young voters to vote conservative, they know they won’t win majority support, so they’ll try to convince progressive to not bother voting at all.
The polls are only showing that because he hasn’t clinched the nomination yet so the huge number of people who dislike both candidates don’t feel like they have to make a decision yet. Once that happens, I think we’ll see a big drop in his numbers. I could be wrong, but I’m usually not, at least when it comes to politics.
the huge number of people who dislike both candidates don’t feel like they have to make a decision yet.
If you look at actual polls, you’ll find the number of undecided voters is surprisingly low.
Eg. https://emersoncollegepolling.com/michigan-2024-trump-and-biden-on-course-for-tight-rematch/
An august 1-2 poll of Michigan voters, 44% Trump, 44% biden, 8% other, just 5% undecided. It’s unlikely they’ll all split Biden, and even they disproportionately did, a Trump win would still be well within the margin of error.
Biden isn’t an unknown quantity. Trump isn’t an unknown quantity. Voters know what they stand for by now, they know what they’ll be like as president. And yet it’s still close.
Let’s put it this way, I admire your optimism if you assume Biden will win easily.
We will know soon enough. I was right when I said that there wouldn’t be a “red wave” during the midterms, in spite of what the polls said, and I’m positive that I am right when I say that the polls aren’t giving us a clear picture of what to expect of a third Trump presidential campaign.
Again, what I think we’re seeing in the polls reflects a dislike for both candidates, but not a dislike that’s evenly distributed or felt with the same degree of vehemence.
Teasing out that difference is difficult using traditional polling methods, but it becomes obvious when one looks at how many Americans find Trump objectively abhorrent.
My prediction is that Biden defeats Trump handily, not in a landslide, but convincingly enough to permanently show Trump the door.
I may be wrong. We will see.
I was right when I said that there wouldn’t be a “red wave” during the midterms, in spite of what the polls said
The polls didn’t say there would be a red wave. Aggregated polling suggested there was a 42% chance the democrats won at least the house.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2022-election-forecast/
Same thing happened in 2016, when IRC polling suggested Trump had something like a 1/3 chance of winning, but media painted a Clinton win being a certainty.
Be more wary of how the media reports on polling.
There won’t be any gerrymandering for President unless they are able to change State boarders. Voter suppression in targeted areas however is possible.
Gerrymandering doesn’t affect presidential elections. Only the lower house of Congress and the state legislative branch.
That’s their plan. Anyone posting bullshit like that is someone I’ll be immediately suspicious of. Trump will lose again and maybe it’ll be blow that sends his racist cult back under the rocks they came from. Everyday boomers are dropping to old age and younger people are hitting voting age. The last election was their last chance and they knew it, that’s why they all knew what he was trying to do and they went with it. Soon we can start repairing the damage they’ve done and start working ourselves back out of the 60’s and look to the future.
I agree but we have to get and actually vote!
And also Q-Anon isn’t a thing anymore, which was a base of his firmest believers, fighting against Hillary and others, who were said to be eating children in a Washington Pizzeria. But I really ask myself what on earth could make people hold on to this criminal and vote for him…
I’m sorry to say it but Q-Anon is absolutely still a thing. They aren’t as loud but I know at least 1 person in my town who rants about Q-Anon type shit.
Try being Canadian and living next door to this crap, with the most porous borders in the world between us.
*sigh*
Try living in southern Canada (Minnesota) and not having a college degree so Canada most likely won’t let me immigrate.
Try being disabled so no country will take you regardless your qualifications
Or mid fifty’s and broke
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Well worst case scenario a family friend who draft dodged and joined the IRA back in the 70s told be how to make an “Irish surprise” as he put it.
As long as there’s no wall to hold you up you could try to sneak in illegally.
Reading your comment I am thinking that Mexico might pay for a border after all - to keep Americans out.
Expect refugees from the US when Trump wins.
As an American I hope your last paragraph is true. Ive come to hate America, better yet American, not the land, it’s clear people, nature, and humanity are low on their list. Another country should break our fake image of worth. I hope someday I can leave America or this place changes completely.
If another country doesn’t break our fake image than another politician will come along to use us people and motivate us to live for false hope that continues to rape our lives.
It goes deeper than politics… It’s our businesses and business culture too. As well as the people that normalize the over-consumption consumerism lifestyle.
I’ve experienced both sides, mainstream and street life and they are both the same… The successful in both cultures use the same abhorrent methods to gain power.
Another country should break our fake image of worth.
You guys are doing a great job of that on your own 😥
To the rest of the world maybe, but the hyper patriotic lunkheads here in the States legitimately believe in American superiority.
The most depressing part of it all is that if Trump is in the rush to win, neoliberals would still blame the stupidity of the people, or anything else, except themselves. IF Trump sucks and is about to win, imagine how much Biden sucks
I am absolutely TIRED of politicians never having to do any “Mea Culpa” and blaming everything else except themselves for losing an election, I am tired of neoliberals shitting on people and then say “If you don’t vote for us then the world is gonna burn”
Biden went to power with Universal Basic Income, Debt Pardon, Universal Healthcare, and was able to achieve NOTHING, 0, NADA, NYET
I am tired of the only argument of the neoliberals worldwide is always the boogeyman on the other team, instead of some kind of merit they could have
I have a feeling this is intentional. These statements can be used as evidence and it gets him off the case for which he probably realized he’s never getting paid and his client is a moron.
The “this obviously stupid thing must have been done on purpose” take is the stupidest thing about the Internet.
They can just request to be removed as council.
I’d assume it’s more of a ploy for trump to appeal on the basis of ineffective counsel.
This is not a thing. This is never a thing. This won’t happen.
stupidest thing about the Internet
*counsel
That’s basically my point. Why are people making weird arguments for why this isn’t stupid?
If he didn’t get paid up front he is the real moron
He’s not using the I didn’t know it was wrong defense (that was earlier) but the my lawyers told me it was fine defense (his previous lawyers, not these two).
So, I don’t think these statements matter to his current defensive strategy.
Honest question, is that a defense that has ever actually worked for crimes this serious? I can understand something like “Your honor, I totally thought I could park there because a police officer said it was fine, but then the parking enforcement wrote me a ticket!” But not “Your honor, a very Bigly smart man said I could totally disenfranchise all of America and it is very cool and very legal!”
It can work but probably won’t in this instance. There was an article about it posted yesterday that talked about it.
I think his actual strategy is to delay as much as possible and either have his own AG drop the charges, or, have a GOP president pardon him.
If he uses advice of counsel defense, he has to waive attorney client privilege. Seems like a nice trap by special counsel.
It was a trap by the special counsel set by… getting him to hire terrible attorneys? I would think that more a consequence of the magnitude of his crimes + his history of nonpayment, leaving only desperate lawyers willing to be the next in line trying to defend one of the most obvious criminals in recent history and humiliating themselves in the process
Yeah, was a lot of the argument in that article.
Dude Trump has literally broadcast his crimes on Fox TV. It doesn’t take a lawyer admitting it.
I still have plenty of doubts the indictments will put him away for any amount of time that he actually deserves. I’d say 3 month suspended sentence at best. I’ll believe he’s going to jail when he’s in jail.
Hm. He really does have tiny hands.
I think it is more a short arms problem
Setting up grounds for future appeals?
Not sure how that would work. Would he appeal on the grounds that he had terrible lawyers or something?
Yes. One of the reasons for granting an appeal is that you didn’t have adequate representation.
I doubt it would be an effective strategy at this point. The lawyers are literally just doing what Trump instructs them to do - often after telling him very clearly that it’s a stupid idea. Not sure how well “My lawyer didn’t tell me that was illegal loudly enough” is going to fly.
It’s a good thing he only hires the best people!
/s
You don’t need the /s here. The stupid people have not found us yet.
Lauro: At the end, he asked Mr Pence to pause the voting for 10 days, allow the state legislatures to weigh in and then they could make a determination to audit or reaudit or recertify. But what he didn’t do is, you know, send in the tanks…
Think about that for a minute… Trump and his lawyers believe we should be thanking him because Trump didn’t turn American streets into blood-soaked war zones.
IMO if Trump had his way we would have had an American versions of Tienanmen Square all across the country instead of the insurrection he was able to incite.
I don’t understand how anyone can think there’s any truth or a space left for the mending of America. It never was what they said it was and it never will be. The jig is up.
People need to move on… A new foundation or no foundation. I feel like that’s the only choice.
How much more do they have to do for people to realize? The governments and streets are laced with career criminals and good honest men and women just get used.
It’s already too far gone to be fixed. Trust is dead and will take decades or more to get back from people and future generations.
If you’ve got a viable strategy, please share!
A tid bit of gang warfare, military warfare, and Karen warfare. The ultimate trio of destruction and reintegration.
Please refer to 1860s American history. Or late 1960s. Things aren’t nearly as fucked now (in the sense that society isn’t as broken as it was then). Fucked though they may be.
It should be better because of past bullshit… Don’t accept shit just because the past.
Wait, if Trump committed crimes in several states (as he did) - wouldn’t then the RICO Act come into effect and this could be treated as “organized crime”?
I would guess only if the criminal activities involved finances crossing state lines. But IANAL
Probably more like “I deliver nice pieces of evidence for an equally nice ‘Get out of Jail’ card”.
That’s not how it works at all.
