what about them? he has already lost a libel case against the sun in the uk after they called him a wife beater, and his appeal was rejected. the judge ruled that 12 of 14 allegations (this is a civil court) of incidents of domestic violence to be “substantially true.” keep in mind that she wasn’t a party in this case. the whole transcript of the judgement is available online.
also like… he’s a rich and popular cishet white man. u have to consider how substantial the evidence would have to be in order for him to lose a libel case against a tabloid outright calling him wife beater depp lol
It’s pretty obvious that Depp isn’t the innocent little angel he’s being portrayed as. Frankly I’m not entirely convinced anyone’s actually going to pay up when this is all over.
no one is attacking you personally, and frankly no one is immune to propaganda. i can understand why you would jump to conclusions, but given how ridiculous her testimony and defense has been i think just about anyone would come to the conclusion that she’s lying about abuse claims if they watched enough of it. the other day the jury was shown two completely identical photos except one had its saturation increased to make the supposed injury look more convincing, and she claimed they were two photos taken at two different times. there are multiple records of her making public appearances and looking totally normal after alleged extreme abuse, and makeup artists testifying they did not cover up any injuries. i could go on and on, although i don’t know the details of the previous cases.
of course the danger here is all of the rightoids taking advantage of this case. this plays into a very common american political phenomenon: neither side of the bourgeois political coin has anything to actually offer to the working class, and therefore the only thing they can really do is point out how bad, duplicitous, or opportunistic the other side is. because both sides are all of these things, they often don’t have to lie in order to do this, they just have to reframe the truth to serve their political interests. think trumpers calling into question the biden administration because biden is obviously senile: trying to refute this makes you look ridiculous, and the bourgeoisie as a class controls the government not one person. but, trumpers will reframe this as a communist deep state or whatever the fuck. the same goes for all the clinton scandals, the vast majority of which were actually serious and had merit. in this case rightoids can take one alleged victim who is obviously lying and reframe it as: “well obviously they all must be lying then, there is no patriarchy, men’s rights” etc. this is in fact what makes the opportunism on display here that much more dangerous and despicable to anyone who care about dismantling the patriarchy.
and regarding opportunism, i think we have to keep in mind that liberal bourgeois feminists do not have the interests of women as a whole in mind, and they do not seek the emancipation of women as a class no matter how many times they claim to. rather, they seek the emancipation of themselves to the detriment of proletarian women, and placate to or seek to assimilate into the system of patriarchy and white supremacy in order to do so. this is a textbook definition of political opportunism. i can’t think of a better example than alyssa milano, who took over as face of the metoo movement and yet is connected to the talent agent industry by marriage that to my understanding is responsible for much of the sexual abuse and trafficking that goes on. in fact the whole metoo movement was co-opted by the democratic party and thus was completely silent about the credible claims of rape against joe biden, and the consequent silencing of his accuser. that’s of course not to say that they didn’t, don’t, or can’t suffer abuse obviously
Not that I´ve been following this case that closely but isn’t the thing that Depp is ‘innocent’ or whatever in this case? This is a honest question, my gf is watching it a lot and she and everyone else I know is siding with Depp in this. What’s wrong with the case in your eyes?
That he has been found guilty of domestic abuse by a judge more than once and is now running an obvious propaganda campaign against Heard. That he has dated an underage girl. That he’s yet another rich man using money to create the truth. That Depp is using male victims of domestic violence.
That this isn’t a trial about Heard abusing Depp, that’s ridiculous and she has been found legally to be his victim. This is a trial about her “defaming him” for talking about being an abuse victim without namedropping him. It’s not even taking place on the state they lived during their relationship.
But mostly, that people use this to stop believing victims of DV. That it has brought to the mainstream the ridiculous and false idea of “mutual abuse”. The idea that one must be a “perfect victim” to be defended from abuse. And that people can’t recognize litigation abuse or gender violence when they see it.
I’m so tired of the spectacle. I’m turning into the Joker.
Yes, but what about the audio recordings where depp complains about heard hitting him and heard says no-ones gonna believe him cause he is a man?
what about them? he has already lost a libel case against the sun in the uk after they called him a wife beater, and his appeal was rejected. the judge ruled that 12 of 14 allegations (this is a civil court) of incidents of domestic violence to be “substantially true.” keep in mind that she wasn’t a party in this case. the whole transcript of the judgement is available online.
also like… he’s a rich and popular cishet white man. u have to consider how substantial the evidence would have to be in order for him to lose a libel case against a tabloid outright calling him wife beater depp lol
So an abuse victim lashes back against their abuser? Unheard of. I can’t believe abuse fucks you up and makes you say shit you wouldn’t before! /s
What about the fact that Depp has lost trials again and again and is currently engaging in a propaganda campaign? Fuck you, lol.
You are not immune to propaganda.
It’s pretty obvious that Depp isn’t the innocent little angel he’s being portrayed as. Frankly I’m not entirely convinced anyone’s actually going to pay up when this is all over.
no one is attacking you personally, and frankly no one is immune to propaganda. i can understand why you would jump to conclusions, but given how ridiculous her testimony and defense has been i think just about anyone would come to the conclusion that she’s lying about abuse claims if they watched enough of it. the other day the jury was shown two completely identical photos except one had its saturation increased to make the supposed injury look more convincing, and she claimed they were two photos taken at two different times. there are multiple records of her making public appearances and looking totally normal after alleged extreme abuse, and makeup artists testifying they did not cover up any injuries. i could go on and on, although i don’t know the details of the previous cases.
of course the danger here is all of the rightoids taking advantage of this case. this plays into a very common american political phenomenon: neither side of the bourgeois political coin has anything to actually offer to the working class, and therefore the only thing they can really do is point out how bad, duplicitous, or opportunistic the other side is. because both sides are all of these things, they often don’t have to lie in order to do this, they just have to reframe the truth to serve their political interests. think trumpers calling into question the biden administration because biden is obviously senile: trying to refute this makes you look ridiculous, and the bourgeoisie as a class controls the government not one person. but, trumpers will reframe this as a communist deep state or whatever the fuck. the same goes for all the clinton scandals, the vast majority of which were actually serious and had merit. in this case rightoids can take one alleged victim who is obviously lying and reframe it as: “well obviously they all must be lying then, there is no patriarchy, men’s rights” etc. this is in fact what makes the opportunism on display here that much more dangerous and despicable to anyone who care about dismantling the patriarchy.
and regarding opportunism, i think we have to keep in mind that liberal bourgeois feminists do not have the interests of women as a whole in mind, and they do not seek the emancipation of women as a class no matter how many times they claim to. rather, they seek the emancipation of themselves to the detriment of proletarian women, and placate to or seek to assimilate into the system of patriarchy and white supremacy in order to do so. this is a textbook definition of political opportunism. i can’t think of a better example than alyssa milano, who took over as face of the metoo movement and yet is connected to the talent agent industry by marriage that to my understanding is responsible for much of the sexual abuse and trafficking that goes on. in fact the whole metoo movement was co-opted by the democratic party and thus was completely silent about the credible claims of rape against joe biden, and the consequent silencing of his accuser. that’s of course not to say that they didn’t, don’t, or can’t suffer abuse obviously
Oh ffs
lol nice
Not that I´ve been following this case that closely but isn’t the thing that Depp is ‘innocent’ or whatever in this case? This is a honest question, my gf is watching it a lot and she and everyone else I know is siding with Depp in this. What’s wrong with the case in your eyes?
That he has been found guilty of domestic abuse by a judge more than once and is now running an obvious propaganda campaign against Heard. That he has dated an underage girl. That he’s yet another rich man using money to create the truth. That Depp is using male victims of domestic violence.
That this isn’t a trial about Heard abusing Depp, that’s ridiculous and she has been found legally to be his victim. This is a trial about her “defaming him” for talking about being an abuse victim without namedropping him. It’s not even taking place on the state they lived during their relationship.
But mostly, that people use this to stop believing victims of DV. That it has brought to the mainstream the ridiculous and false idea of “mutual abuse”. The idea that one must be a “perfect victim” to be defended from abuse. And that people can’t recognize litigation abuse or gender violence when they see it.
I’m so tired of the spectacle. I’m turning into the Joker.
i feel you. it’s disheartening seeing how quickly people fall into misogynistic thought patterns even on here lol
Edit: never mind