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    Exactly. It is at the point they willingly indulge in this kind of lying as it buys into their own world view. It is easier for them to stomach a twisted ‘truth’ than actually face reality. They have designed their own world, their own prison, then locked themselves in it and refuse to come out even though they have the key. It is probably this that leads to their aversion to theory. My dad is (unfortunately) a lib, and not only does he refuse to think critically about western MSM and narratives, he flatly denies any information that counteracts those narratives regardless of their sources. Indeed, he is a ‘Ukraine understander’ who knows nothing about Stepan Bandera, nothing about previous Ukrainian actions in Donbass, and nothing about NATO expansion. He labels any and all data that looks ill upon Ukraine as ‘Russian Propaganda’, even if they come from western sources and are dated well before the beginning of action in Ukraine. Similarly, and perhaps most tellingly, when talking about the ‘Tiananmen massacre’, he decided to force me to watch an edited 1 minute clip from the British Bullshit Corporation, and then refused to acknowledge any of the sources I showed him (the usual stuff - the CIA testimony of Gallo, the video of Dejian Hou denying the massacre, the CBS article in which the journalist who was there denied the massacre…). Like, decided that ‘I do not want to continue this conversation’ without even glancing at what I tried to show him, throwing a tantrum and throwing my phone across the room instead. And since then denouncing me as a ‘conspiracy nut’, and making some dumb strawman about how I was apparently saying it was done on a hollywood set (? - I dont know where he got that from given I never mentioned Hollywood). This is now beyond ‘copium’ for most liberals - it is an intentional, premediated, and complete withdrawal from reality in favour of a fantasy that better suits their own idealism.

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      I wonder why they do this. For people who claim they are the pinnacle of acceptance and democracy, why not try to look further into theories that support marginalized people and that try to make the world a more equal place? The weirdest libs for me are the ones that say communism only works in theory. Then why not try it? If only 80% works, that sure is better than whatever the fuck we’re doing now, right?

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        Yes. Even if that claim was true - at least it works in theory, which makes it automatically better than capitalism which neither works in theory nor in practise.

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          Pretty sure libs generally think that “communism only works in theory, but capitalism works in practice”, and point at the US space program or something along those lines as proof. So no, they will not entertain the idea of trying something that “works in theory”.

          Others claim it doesn’t even work in theory.

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            The US space program was gov funded… it was a communist concept of management of production through the state implemented imperfectly in a capitalist system. It is an example for communism not against it.

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              lol USA created NASA precisely because their garbage for profit companies didn’t see space exploration as profitable and so USA was falling ridiculously behind technologically from USSR.

              It is of great urgency and importance to our country both from consideration of our prestige as a nation as well as military necessity that this challenge [Sputnik] be met by an energetic program of research and development for the conquest of space… It is accordingly proposed that the scientific research be the responsibility of a national civilian agency… NACA is capable, by rapid extension and expansion of its effort, of providing leadership in space technology.

              Basically if it wasn’t for USSR United States would’ve never bothered with space exploration because it was more profitable for private companies to spend their resources on coming up with new and exciting ways to exploit their workers.

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        Their solution to inequality and injustice is victim blaming so they will do nothing to enforce human right or equal opportunity.

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        Tbh, my entire family (myself included) has anger management issues. But given that I am 16, I have an excuse. My parents… less so.

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        My Chinese warlord family who seek fake refugee in Canada also had similar problems although they claim these problems is highly intolerable when others have it as well. My parents vent all their anger from others on innocent disabled child as solution to their anger problem and then complain why disabled children develop psychological problem from the abuse.

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      fucking r/aviation, which is supposedly a serious sub about aircrafts was riddled with posters of Ghost of Kiyv. You could say maybe the average joe might not understand why Ghost of Kyiv story is bullshit, but aviation nuts on r/aviation? Really?

      You are absolutely right, this is not mere denial. The people who do this know it’s bullshit, they do it anyway. This has a name. It’s called propaganda. All these people are knowingly and deliberately participating in creating a fake alternate reality via propaganda. It’s some real dystopian shit.