It’s a weird nitpicky thing that makes no sense. If you can’t even use the actual name for the CPC why should I believe a single word you say about China?
Are most libs just this ignorant or is there some sort of narrative/propaganda behind getting the name wrong?
because that’s what they’re told it’s called and they don’t question such things
I used to get annoyed by it but i now regard it as a very easy way of identifying their bias
Wikipedia:
The Chinese Communist Party (CCP), officially the Communist Party of China (CPC)
Are most libs just this ignorant or is there some sort of narrative/propaganda behind getting the name wrong?
It is both. Most libs are simply repeating the terminology they hear being used, but the reason CCP is used almost universally in Western propaganda is because it has a better rhetorical alignment with anticommunism - where “Chinese Communist Party” reads more as an overt dictatorship compared to “Communist Party of China” which reads as a party which stands as a distinct organization in relation to the Republic.
The goal is to eliminate any potential nuance about the political machinations of the PRC and discuss it as if it were a pure autocracy whenever possible. This goes hand in hand with describing any Chinese policy as if it were dictated by Xi Jinping himself, with almost no discussion about officials in the National People’s Congress, the judiciary, or various state and provincial administrations.
When discussing the political failings of the US, we always have a rotating villain to blame. We have a tautologically benevolent form of government which is constantly being undermined isolated cases of corruption. This time it was the parliamentarian. This time it was Joe Manchin. Oh we had a good bill, but it appears the Supreme Court shot it down. Oh man it looks like the Governor of Texas is going rogue. It is never a failure of liberal democracy. When discussing the politics of our ‘adversaries,’ we do the opposite. Everything we choose to report happens because of communism and communism is bad. That is all you need to know about it.
Fundamental attribution error, but for nations.
Same reason why Republicans refer to the Democratic party as the Democrat party
It’s showing a lack of respect
Also by emphasizing the Chinese part, they’re playing into Orientalism
That’s what’s struck me to ask this. It seems CCP is used only for negative comments about China, and I rarely see CPC used except in left spaces like here.
by emphasizing the Chinese part, they’re playing into Orientalism
I think this is 90% of the reason. To a sinophobic population, “Chinese” is a scary and derogatory term. “Of China” provokes less of a fear response because it’s more of a statement of fact.
TIL. It’s what I see people call it online and I’m not from the USA.
I can’t imagine caring.
there being a debate about this sounds like satire.
I call it the Chinese Communist Party of China so people are sure I’m talking about China.
Chinese Communist Party of Communist China (Communist, Chinese) (CCPCC(CC))
What country are they from?
Asia possibly. Sus if you ask me
Yeah I’ve heard bad things tbh
It’s a shibboleth, there are people who use CCP who are not anti-China but people who use CPC are more likely to not be anti-China. I wouldn’t get caught up in the name out loud with someone.
Historically both names have been used when localized into English. Though there is an argument to be had the CCP implies some sort of international communist cabal (a la red scare) while the CPC is more accurate as the Communist party is just one of the many political parties in China (including autonomous govts in Hong Kong and Taiwan).
implies some sort of international communist cabal (a la red scare) while the CPC is more accurate as the Communist party is just one of the many political parties in China
This, but also the converse: CPC implies solidarity with an international communist movement, this party representing that in China. On the other hand, CCP just sounds like a party with two scary ebil adjectives, the party being at once both “Chinese” and “communist” 😱
Yeah I agree, someone using CPC is more likely using it with intention than someone using CCP is.
As others have said - It’s a Shibboleth
As for the reason it exists? The reason for implementing it is simply to disrupt communists, who internationally all choose to place communism before nation.
Because of the CCCP
I mean, it’s not technically wrong, it just shows the layman nature or antagonistic nature of the person using it
First, it’s just that it sort of metaphysically attributes “national chauvinism” to the party’s name, by emphasizing “Chinese”
Second, CCP looks like the Cyrillic for Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.
ccp is a direct translation.
中国人 = “Chinese Person,” therefore 中国共产党 = “Chinese Communist Party.”
then the direct translation would be instead “Communist Party of the Chinese People”
the reason for thw switch was so the US could use its anti USSR (CCCP) propoganda, when the two exest together all you need to know is both bad
i don’t understand what you mean, in english the order of the characters works fine, why would a ‘direct’ translation move them around if not to agree with english language rules?
Chinese Peoples Comunust Party would probably be more direct you are right, my bad,
oh, i think you are misunderstanding. the scond phrase doesn’t contain “people.” 中国=China，人=person，共产党=communist party. this pattern is pretty consistent, i.e. “中国朋友” means Chinese friends
Diaspora exists. Just for that reason alone, CCP wouldn’t be accurate enough.
Technically, both are correct
i think this is one of the most bizarre things to get twisted about, a multiple-word title for an organization will inevitably have different word orders depending on the localization, English is just a silly language with multiple ways for many items to be grammatically correct with identical meaning. CCP is 1:1 with the chinese word-order, but the foreign office of the PRC’s english style guide chose a different, also correct order. This issue is very far from the intentional disrespect of using antiquated names a country has formally requested changed in foreign localization–Iran, Myanmar, eSwatini. Do yankees or yankee politicians concern themselves with the precise characters or their order referring to the US in PRC communications? Why should anyone in the CPC care, especially with the knowledge that they are both grammatically correct?
Word order yes
But 中国共产党 translates literally as “China Communist Party”
It identifies the nation of China and not the Chinese people
If i wanted to translate Chinese Communist Party i would use something like 中华共产党 instead
Its a subtle difference but Communist Party of China imparts the party a certain level of national sovereignty in my opinion
Dimensionless brain: Chinese Communist Party
Microscopic brain: Communist Party of China
Normal brain: Party of Chinese Communists
Galaxy brain: Party of Communist China
Universe brain: Chinese Party of Communists
Multiverse brain: Communist Chinese Party
Most of them are just ignorant but most of them if they learn will insist on using the wrong name as a show of disrespect (though they’ll sometimes make up an excuse for why it’s not naked disrespect, see the Wikipedia article talk page).
