• TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee
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    The problem is that the guy would be a third party candidate, which means he would get treated as a sinkhole for the voters of the opposite party. This would work specially well for the GQP since they could just have a candidate adopt his ideology, throw a lot of money into news, media, and rallies to trump up support, and then easily turn around and just not fulfill it when they win. Meanwhile, there will be plenty of people in the other side of the flawed bipartisan system who will just blame democrats for not choosing their third party candidate regardless of the actual consequences voting third party has in USA’s democratic facade of a system.

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    Why would the 1% be nervous?

    It’s not like the Americans will actually do anything. At most there will be some light trolling, some graffiti and maybe a twitter hashtag. Tjen everyone will pat themselves on the back and feel slightly superior before returning to their slave jobs, without healthcare

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      Are you familiar with the term Stochastic Terrorism? The upshot is that enough public support may encourage individuals to take action against high-profile targets.

      Imagine, for a secone, that you’re one of those 1%. According to the census, there are about 340 million people in the US. If just 50% of them hate you, that’s 170 million. If 99.9% of them do nothing, that still leaves 170 thousand willing to act. Statistically, you’d have one potential killer every two thousand people. Sure, the actual figure might be much lower. Do you know for sure? How would you estimate that?

      Let’s run with that statistic for now. How many people do you interact with or pass by daily? Weekly? Monthly? How many of those potential 170k might intentionally seek you out? The more wealthy or prominent you are, the greater of a target you become, but it may also depend on personal wrongs, leaving a lot of uncertainty and hard to predict variables. How would you know whether there’s a target on your back? Or multiple?

      If you thought you were invincible, that deterrence by law enforcement and public distaste for violence would prevent any such events, that illusion has been shattered now. All it takes is one slip-up of security, one person with nothing to lose and the right luck.

      Would you feel safe?

      Until recently, we all thought nothing would happen. Now something has happened. I think at this point it’s impossible to predict whether that will inspire copycats, whether the public approval may encourage more disruptice mass action or whether it will actually go back to complacency and stay an isolated incident. That unpredictability should give them pause.

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        Add to that if you suffered at their hands.

        Add to that if you just, by chance, find an opportunity to fuck them up.

        They will end up hiding in their gated communities of course.

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      I remember posts like yours from a while back… and then one day a young man with a bright future and as lot of advantage chose to leave that behind to shoot a CEO in the back of the head on the open street in broad daylight.

      “Why would the 1% be nervous”

      Your post is a weak attempt to sow defeat in the hearts and minds of those who started to perk up and think a bit more after seeing what Luigi decided needed to be done. On balance, your post reads like you’re actually nervous.

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          I mean, “nobody wants to work anymore!”… Maybe you’re just repeating buzzwords because the blind repetition is comforting enough to help you feel sure about an unsure world? Maybe you’ve long since stopped questioning the meaning of these catchphrases and their perceived validity before you plainly parrot them, as designed.

          How about people actually do shit, take action in real live, and then they supplement that with additional online activism. I’m out marching, I’m picketing, I’m supporting unions, I’m researching candidates and their funding and I’m voting. I’m educating younger people who are curious and welcoming back misled friends and family when they wake to the tactics of conservatives and realize they need to stop refraining or voting against their best interest.

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          Sure, but rumors have it there are people that go out and actually touches grass between their slacktivism sessions.

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            It really helps that increasingly the internet just feels shittier and shittier so people actually WANT to “touch grass”.

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        Technically wasn’t broad daylight, it was just before sunrise. But that doesn’t really affect your point.

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      I’ll be honest. I’m not sure. I grew up outside the US. Things were far worse but in some ways, less bad division wise. I was mostly a child or a teen but I did live thru two revolutions. Both regime changing.

      It all starts rather complacent and lazy. But the bubbles. They are not feeling new to me.

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        DMC just watched one old ass geezer who lost their first reelection go on to win…so Dems are eying Jimmy Carter

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        They’re going to attempt to appeal even more to conservatives by running a previous candidate for the Democratic nomination.

        David Duke.

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          The fact that his administration was one of the most progressive/productive in history overall says a lot about this country.

          Oh well. T-minus 30ish days until the death cult starts using prison slave labor to put brawndo on all the crops to own da libz!

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            It does say a lot when this country’s most progressive administration also couldn’t help itself but shovel money and weapons in full support of the most live-publicized genocide in the world.

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              Yes, no justification for Biden’s position in Israel. He was fucked either way politically, by design, but from a human perspective, his age was showing there especially. It felt very clear that he was/is not paying attention to the evolving reality of today in Israel. He likely couldn’t comprehend it and in his mind just defaulted to his comfortable 1994 perception of Israel.

              Again though, I’m talking about overall work of the administration. His presidency would get many categorical A+ historically, but his Israel response and blind support would be a D- at best, if one considered some of the rhetoric (though not actually supported by action ultimately).

              And of course, always worth mentioning, that the alternative is US pouring gasoline on this conflict and arming Israel with flamethrowers and gas masks to avoid indoctrinated foot soldiers being slowed down by the overwhelming smell of blackened, blistered flesh and incinerated hair. Here it comes.

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            The fact that his administration was one of the most progressive/productive in history overall

            I mean, people underrate how progressive he is and how he handled the presidency, but that’s going a bit far. FDR, Truman, etc

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        I think next time they’re just going to go for animatronics attached to some soggy bread.

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    Whenever he gets cheers and applause in a news comedy show, the host always looks uncomfortable. You can almost see the leash of their corporate overlords being tugged.

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      I mean, it’s not just that. it’s legal liability. part of the reason they charged him with terrorism is to tie any show of support to a crime as well. supporting him is like supporting al-qaeda now. so I ask you, DO YOU CONDEMN HUMMUS? DO YOU CONDOM MORDOR OF CEOS?

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        Didn’t Hillary Clinton stated in one of those leaked mails that AQ was with the US or something?

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        It is perfectly legal to advocate for illegal activity. The first amendment has broad protections for this. SCOTUS has ruled on this even recently. You need to be able to advocate for illegal activity if you want people to have any chance to change the law.

        It is perfectly legal to come right out on national television and say, “Luigi did nothing wrong. The president and governor should pardon him, and the mayor of NYC should throw him a parade.”

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          Like the incoming Christo Gestapo crew will give a shit about that when they start rounding up potential “wrong thinkers”

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          lol… those who remember the 2000s know that’s all out the window if the government says anything is terrorism.

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            The right to free speech and the right to peaceably assemble hasn’t been respected at any point during US history.

            Not immediately after the country was formed when they signed the sedition act into law.

            Not while people were protesting for abolitionism.

            Not while people were protesting for women’s suffrage.

            Not while people held demonstrations while on strike.

            Not during the cold war and red scare.

            Not during the civil rights movement.

            Not during the George Floyd protests.

            They’re not going to start now.

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        All it did was show a lot of people what bullshit a charge of “terrorism” is.

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        Also, lets not forget who will be president soon… Trump and his fellows have hinted at going after fake news media before. Going after terrorism supporting fake news media is even easier.

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        Wait, “condom” and “mordor”??!? What the hell sub is this??!!

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        Ugh Senator Foghorn Kennedy is a fucking embarrassment to the English speaking population.

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      It’s also just the purview of the liberal elite. So rich and far removed from society they think murdering someone makes you evil and there’s never any reason to do it.

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        Meanwhile our media is absolutely jam packed with freedom fighters and underdogs and man against the system… ultra gore.

        So like idk what message the elites have been getting out of the media but the really popular stuff is always the stuff that speaks to the masses… and feels relatable.

        So sitcoms and… horror dystopia, yep.

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        They obviously don’t have a problem with murder (they have a murder problem!) unless it’s one of them receiving the murdering

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          I don’t see them letting it come to that. They’ll pick jury members of which they are 100% sure they won’t do jury nullification.

          Remember, the whole system is behind getting him charged.

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              Do you really think there’s no way for the combined power of the state & capital to influence jury selection? That feels like a very naive take.

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                The defense has the right to pick half the jury - and defense lawyers are usually very serious about defending their clients and getting the best possible outcome. They’re going to pick the most favorable jurists they can.

                IMO he got over charged and they state is gonna learn the hard way that their strategy of making an example of him will backfire.

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                  Please see my reply to the other comment - you’re assuming the pool of jurors contains enough people that would consider nullification. As far as I’m aware, the defense has no influence on this pool itself. So how do you know that the jurors the defense can choose from are actually randomly selected?

                  It’s pretty much a given that the state knows your opinion on jury nullification if you’ve ever publicly posted about it. Hell, based on the Snowden leaks there’s a good chance they know it if you’ve ever mentioned it over e.g. the telephone. How can you be sure that this knowledge isn’t used to bias the jury pool?

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                  No, I think I understand it well enough to also understand that the system isn’t perfect.

                  For example, the same system that is trying to get him charged is also responsible for producing the jury pool. Coincidentally, the same system regularly buys data about its citizens from big tech companies, like social media. The same social media on which plenty of people publicly commented on the case.

                  Unless the defense is literally involved in every step of the process (starting from voter registration), there’s no way to be sure that the jury pool is actually unbiased.

                  Now, hopefully I’m wrong about this, and you can show me specifically how we can be absolutely sure that the jury pool is completely unbiased. But I don’t think that you’ll be able to do so without implicitly relying on the same system that is being defended against.

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    Put him in charge of healthcare maybe, but electing libertarians to office is a big chunk of why you have this problem in the first place. Guy has only had one good idea.

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      Imo Chase Oliver would have been a pretty cool president. He may have been a Libertarian but he openly called for Israel to end the genocide (yes he called it what it is), called for an end to all buisnesses subsidies, proposed a complete tax code overhaul designed to eliminate loopholes, and heavily limit patents which would destroy many pharmaceuticals.

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    When the Venn diagram of YA doomsday fiction and reality overlap more than you thought.