See I’d actually be down with America First, if it wasn’t a
- Racist Dogwhistle
- Scapegoat
We don’t need to be giving trillions out to Israel when we’re the one country that can’t guarantee a doctor for the sick.
We don’t need to be giving trillions out to Israel when we’re the one country that can’t guarantee a doctor for the sick.
Democrats also do this?
Democrats also do this?
And the solution would be “America First”, if it wasn’t a
Racist Dogwhistle
Scapegoat
Exactly as OP stated. Your whataboutism was not required.
Never said they didn’t.
If you want to convince Republicans to support Ukraine, the best way is to put it in terms that appeal to them:
- It’s a jobs program. The more weapons we build for Ukraine, the more jobs we create in the defense industry.
- It saves money. By getting Ukrainian soldiers to fight on our behalf, we destroy Russia at a fraction of the cost of fighting them ourselves directly.
- It clears out our old inventory of shells and missiles which we would have to dispose of anyway, allowing our troops to get the newest and best.
- It gives us access to extremely valuable real world testing. Ukrainians have developed new tactics using modern equipment (especially drones) that have rendered tanks and even several types of naval vessels obsolete.
- It sends a message to the whole world that America is still powerful and it’s not going anywhere. One of the most pernicious elements in the Republican Party is a core of doves who would willingly surrender the world to dictators. Supporting Ukraine and Taiwan is the strongest challenge to those cowards.
That last one should especially be aimed at MAGA types. There is no path to American Greatness that involves retreating from the world stage.
The only way to convince Republicans to support Ukraine is to get Trump to say he supports it. Otherwise they won’t no matter what terms you put it in.
They don’t care about your terms. They never will. You’re an evil liberal pinko commie socialist child groomer.
It clears out our old inventory of shells and missiles which we would have to dispose of anyway
Giving old inventory to Ukraine is actually cheaper than disposal, so I’ve read.
It is cheaper both in direct costs and in terms of unforeseen consequences.
It you want republicans to support Ukraine, just explain its what Putin wants.
Yeah but you can’t use big words like pernicious with them, remember they can’t read and many have lead poisoning so stick to Dr Seuss level language or lower.
This is sadly true. A big reason why Republicans win is because they use quick simple catchphrases “Repeal and Replace!” “America First!” “Men don’t belong in women’s sports!”, even if it’s bullshit, the average voter gets some meaning from that.
Democrats try to be more accurate, and are just heard as “Nerd shit”
“Taking care of our own” --> Google Translate Republican language -->> “Take care of straight white wealthy Christians”
–> Further translation --> “We’re appealing to straight white wealthy Christians but don’t actually care about them either. The only beneficiaries in this culture war is us, the oligarchs. Good luck everybody else.”
“On second thought, we’re gonna take the good luck as well.”
They would also throw each other into the volcano if they thought it would help them personally.
The real Prosperity Gospel
Supply Side Jesus!
It’s really is just that simple, isn’t it? I bet they don’t even have to know the oligarch to side with them. Like if there were two buttons and they had to press one; one said, “kill ordinary person with no major moral failings”; the other, “rich, confirmed pedophile, oligarch.” They would slam the kill ordinary person button before reading the other.
> “Taking care of our own” --> Google Translate Republican language -->> “Take care of straight white wealthy Christian business owners”I missed the wealthy part, I’ll leave my “joke” crossed out lol
Honestly you’re still not 100% wrong. People that think they have money are the ultra-riches’ favourite people because they think they’re part of the club.
The bluntness really helps the truth behind it sting a little bit more.
Lol just cut out a portion of the US military budget and give it to Ukraine, I mean like… what is a peacetime military doing with it anyway, just give it to the country at war.
Honestly that’s technically what’s been happening.
It’s not like the 50 billion in aid have been going towards producing new weapons, but its just the value of the unused ammo boxes, shells, tanks who were sitting around in warehouses, the US have been sending to ukraine.
So many people don’t grasp this. They see the dollar amount like they could use it to hire a million ICE officers. No, it was literally a generation or more out of date and rotting in warehouses.
“Fuck off, and buy my golden sneakers and bible with extra bits added”
Can’t wait for those egg prices to go down… checks watch
I would love to let all the superfluous military contracts dry up so we quit stockpiling equipment and their voter base all becomes unemployed.
They say people working at McDonald’s don’t deserve more than min wage but many in the factories are doing less demanding work so by their standards they should make less than fast food workers.
We said our own, not your own. Think of the oligarchs
At first I thought the red symbol was for Team Rocket.
But Team Rocket at least takes care of their own.
And aren’t so cartoonish evil as the Republican Party.I’m sure they’re taking care of their donors.
That was originally Boris Johnson.
Tell me more how Democrats improved living wages and our healthcare system.
No question the Republicans are going to be worse, sadly (and with full control). But the fact the “party of the people” also gave us a fuck off is a big reason team red won everything.
Tell me more how Democrats improved living wages and our healthcare system.
affordable heathcare act
That and Obama was actually the first President to ask Congress to raise the minimum wage and be told to fuck off… Which is one of many unfortunate examples of how far our country has turned to the Right
Yeah, I was about to say, I can you know, not choose between dying or a life of debt?
Affordable Care Act was terrible at first. It’s barely better now. And I was talking about the last four years mostly. My family’s wages went down when you factor healthcare costs (not even considering the inflation on food etc). Democrats need to be pushing for single payer, it’s actually popular even among some Republican voters if the Democrats knew how to communicate with people instead of calling them names. If they would run on fixing minimum wage and European style healthcare they would probably be able to get it done.
Affordable Care Act was terrible at first.
As a representative of everyone with a preexisting condition before the ACA was passed, I am mentally violating the community civility rule at you right now.
Democrats need to be pushing for single payer
Guess how Hilary Clinton first became Public Enemy #1 to conservatives in the early '90s.
This was before the current enshittification. My family was all against it in the 90s and today they’re all saying that insurance companies are what’s wrong with health care. Things have changed.
And will they vote for someone who is pushing single payer or call it socialism today?
It’s clear the Dems would rather lose to a fascist then run on anything decent
Lemmy is libbed the fuck up dude. Genuinely starting to think it’s a lost cause here.
The fact that someone can post this without at all reflecting on the fact that democrats have been in power for 12 of the last 16 years and the average american is worse off than they’ve ever been.
And no I don’t think democrats are as bad as republicans.
The fact that someone can post this without at all reflecting on the fact that democrats have been in power for 12 of the last 16 years and the average american is worse off than they’ve ever been.
That really doesn’t look at the entire picture. Don’t get me wrong, Dems are hotrodding it to the right and their response to trump seems to have been to abandon anything left of center and ratchet their party and the entire country to the right.
However:
Since 1981 Democrats have had control of the Presidency and Congress a whopping 4 years. One 2 year period under Clinton and one under Obama. That’s without factoring in the ability to fillibuster in the Senate. In over 40 years they’ve only had control 10% of the time.
and
That period of filibuster-proof control during Obama’s term is why we have the ACA. It was ~70 days and they passed the largest healthcare overhaul in generations.
Repurposing a comment from @MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world because they said it so succinctly.
And I don’t remember under Clinton because it’s been to long, but under Obama, you had Democratic senators like Joe Donnelly who was very much GOP-lite (hence getting elected in Indiana), including being anti-abortion. So it was no different then when Manchin made it to the senate a couple of years later.
Obama could never have done things like codify Roe v. Wade or pass a more robust healthcare reform and people who think he could have are not looking at reality and just think, “his team won so he could have gotten whatever he wanted and he blew it.” It’s only slightly less ignorant than the idea that the president controls gas and food prices.
