• ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
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    2 years ago

    The paper doesn’t provide the shares distribution amongst the worker. It provides shares distribution amongst categories of worker.

    Which obviously provides a rough idea of the distribution.

    Please read my last comment in his entirety.

    Oh I did, it’s hilarious.

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      2 years ago

      Which obviously provides a rough idea of the distribution. how so ?

      Oh I did, it’s hilarious.

      Glad you’re having fun, I have fun too.

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        2 years ago

        You have fun because you’re a troll who isn’t actually interested in facts. If you actually cared about whether Huawei is a real cooperative that has a fair distribution of shares then you would’ve spent time researching that instead of making an ass out of yourself in this thread. Since you claim the paper I linked is somehow inadequate, I’ll link another paper that does a detailed analysis of Huawei, not just in terms of share structure but also in terms of who actually owns it in practical terms

        https://deliverypdf.ssrn.com/delivery.php?ID=684088071004065000108104097080001109026012051033042091108125103074072029068074103121101122062000122051045126008098020072077071005049095084082028090122114021120108019019005046078001007013011118124066089108114093113029126081072090120093102087125085123065&EXT=pdf&INDEX=TRUE

        Another paper breaks down exactly how shares work under ESOP https://www.centeronbusinessandpoverty.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/ESOP-and-Effect-on-Productivity.pdf

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          To summarize what you took the time to copy/paste :

          • employees own the company
          • one shares = one vote
          • shares purchase has rules

          What I’m interested in, and that I cannot find online is: “how are those shares distributed amongst employee”. I know, I sound like a broken record at this point, but so do you by missing my point entirely.

          That question translate to : does 1 employees own 51% of the shares, does each employees own 0.0007% of shares or something in between.

          Your title assumed an even distribution ( one employee has 0.0007% of the total shares) . Without more information that is completely misleading1

          Do you understand my reasoning? Or am I trolling you too hard? I would be happy to go over some terms/sentences if they are not clear. Unfortunately I’m not an native english speaker and I sometime I communicate imperfectly.

          1. yes the first document you linked refute the 1 persons own 51% of the shares. Nonetheless, that doesn’t invalidate a scenario where an organized minority owns 75% of the shares removing control of the company from the hands of the workers
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            2 years ago

            I understand the point you keep trying to make, but it’s pretty clear from the last chart I linked in the last comment that the distribution is fairly even. My title didn’t assume an even distribution, it assumes a fair distribution.

            The two studies I linked very clearly indicate that the share distribution is a factor in employee engagement and motivation. If the share distribution was highly skewed then the shares wouldn’t play a factor in employee engagement.

            The second study in particular compares Huawei with ZTE that has a traditional corporate structure. If your assertion was correct then we wouldn’t see the difference between the two.

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              2 years ago

              I’m not gonna continue that cyclical dialogue any longer.

              There is no factual number of shares distribution amongst employee. My assumption is that as any large corporation a few makes bank and many get the crumbs and it’s as good as any.

              I’m sure employees are more motivated once they own stock but that’s a process you also find in other companies structure and it’s probably a well documented incentive. However, HR is not a topic I’ve interested in.

              Have a nice day.

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                2 years ago

                Your assumption is completely baseless, but there’s clearly no point continuing this.

                Have a nice day.