The guy won the popular vote. The people who sat the election out would probably have broken for Trump too.
The problem here isn’t voter turnout, it’s voter preference for a fascist.
The message was loud and clear: America writ large is not ready for anything less than a straight, white, male president. Its time to stop being delusional, Obama was a fluke, and not going to be repeated. You might not like hearing it, but its the reality on the ground, don’t take it from me.
In retrospect, I think Biden could have shat himself on live TV while asleep at the podium and probably have still gotten elected, the bar was so, so low. Kamala basically ran a prefect campaign, its just not what America wants.
Kamala basically ran a perfect campaign? I would be shocked if you could name one policy idea of hers and the implementation planned for it.
Obama was a once in many generation politician, he had charisma and appeal no democrat president ever had. Democrats better field a white straight male from now on if they want to win, forget women president for 3-4 decades now. The kind of misogyny in america is crazy, I am from India, a third world country and even we had a female Prime Minister in our 75 year of independent history, and she was very much respected and one of the most popular. America in its 250 year of history had none, thats just crazy for a so called superpower
“He didn’t elaborate on what would be ‘nasty.’”
Bullies usually don’t elaborate. Being vague lets you fill in your own demons, which is more frightening.
Also plausible deniability when the thugs he’s whistling to go out and bash gays or blacks or Mexicans or whoever (athough in their minds he was giving them permission). “I never said go bash heads. No, I meant nasty as in peacefully, as in not sugarcoating the hard truth, which can be nasty.”
Fascist country
Ah yes the free Palestine crowd…lol wait until they see what Israel will do with no US restraint demands.
Well, what’s important is that Harris never listened to people who care about Palestinians. Surely, we will all be better off that the Harris campaign decided to hew closely to Biden’s policies, court Republicans for her cabinet and chase suburban Trump voters. Clearly, this is entirely the fault of individual voters, and we all agree that the campaign, corporate media organizations and monied interests bear no responsibility for this whatsoever.
What’s important is that you’re wrong and this line of thinking leads to things getting worse
Weird, seems like it’s been the repeated denial of progressive issues while courting further and further right that has cost the Democrats the four of the past seven elections, no matter how much we beg for the slightest crumb of civil rights.
I remember how much we had to fight Democrats to get Gay Marriage and LGBT rights in general, and have seen how far they have fled from unions and healthcare. And I say this as someone who has actually done phone banking for the Dems, and has been telling people who are personally invested in what happens to people in Palestine that Harris is the best option on the ballot.
But, yeah, I guess individual voters are the best people to blame, and complaining that people cared enough about an issue to get out and do political action are the problem, and we should smugly congratulate ourselves that they should have just shut up and got with the program, their friends and family members be damned.
When you lose an election this badly, people are clearly not buying you’re selling.
But damn I did not expect so many people to sit out against the guy who did the coup and amongst all the other shit. If there is any light ahead, I think it’s that this L forces the Democratic Party to lean back left with their campaign promises, and whatever power they have left to affect policy.
If they go far left they’ll lose all backing and funding, making them completely useless. It’s just the way the system is built. I’m Canadian but I see you guys had a choice to pick a bad but fixable administration, and instead just let the fascist through. I mean you can chide the Democrats all you want for the result, but it was the left who sat out and it’s those same people who are gonna suffer
If there is any light ahead, I think it’s that this L forces the Democratic Party to lean back left with their campaign promises, and whatever power they have left to affect policy.
John Kerry? Is that you?
They are fucking incapable of learning this.
Bernie polled great against Trump but they snubbed him for Hillary and we lost because of it.
The only reason Biden won was because he wasn’t Trump and we were tired of him at that point.
Kamala had a chance to swing a little more left but continued to try to court moderate conservatives and the suburbs instead.
They just can’t get it through their heads that: Trump and maga are winning as a reaction of “fuck the system”. This mostly stems from corporations and the filthy rich not being taxed enough and us not spending enough on social programs. That energy could have been captured and utilized by running a leftist.
But instead we get milquetoast business as usual bullshit
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When are you expecting an election to happen where you can vote for this party?
Get started
I think it’s that this L forces the Democratic Party to lean back left with their campaign promises, and whatever power they have left to affect policy.
Yeah, that’s what everyone thought after 2016 as well.
yall really think democrats learn from this shit? you born yesterday?
“If liberals are so fucking smart why do they lose so goddamn always?”
- Will McAvoy “The Newsroom”
I don’t think it’s fair to blame voters when it’s the politician’s job during s campaign to convince people they’re worth voting for.
Adopting unpopular centrist policies and aligning more and more with centrist Biden’s policies as the campaign went on is just going to fill voters with apathy.
The Democrats, once again, didn’t give us a candidate to vote for, only one to vote against. And I think the American people are sick of that carrot-stick routine, the Dems need to actually adopt popular policies.
And the establishment Dems are going to fight that tooth and nail.
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You have every right to be angry, but your anger is pointed at the wrong people. Just like the elite divide the masses with bullshit culture wars, the Democratic party elite want you to blame your fellow voters rather than their unpopular platform and abysmal campaign.
If you can vote, you’re a fucking adult. stop acting like a fucking god damned spoiled child.
I’ve seen this attitude repeated ad nauseum these last few weeks, from people discussing Harris with conflicted undecided voters. And your attitude and aggression is exactly what all of them received, and yet you all wonder why people may have stayed home?
People were vocal about their complaints regarding the Democrat’s platform, and they were ignored. If democracy is so important, why the fuck couldn’t the Democratic party adopt more progressive policies?!
Like, apparently it’s completely reasonable to expect people to do what you say with no promise of even addressing their concerns, nevermind actually addressing, but it’s completely unreasonable to just choose not to participate in the system?
You’re not entitled to someone’s vote, regardless of the circumstances. Stop blaming your fellow countrymen and women for not feeling represented, and start screaming at the party who fucking refused to represent them.
Stop blaming your fellow Americans for the Democrats running a platform so unpopular, 14 million Democrats that voted in 2020 chose to stay home.
Stop blaming your fellow Americans for the DNC hiding Biden’s mental acuity issues for well over a year, humiliating himself (and our country) on stage at his debate before hastily cramming a candidate the party didn’t have a say in, and running her on policies that their constituents were vocally against.
As a trans woman, you’re damn right I’m fucking terrified, and I’m fucking angry.
But my anger is at the Democratic party, who decided that spending decades appeasing the Republicans and giving the American people nothing that they’ve been promised, who knew the consequences of this election and decided a 2016 rerun was the only viable option, who paraded Republican after Republican across the DNC stage while snubbing Palestinian Democrats from speaking, and then sending Bill Clinton to lecture the electorate about why Israel has the right to genocide Palestine.
The Democratic party had fascism at the gates, and passed all responsibility onto their voting base instead of checks notes listened to their fucking constituents.
So don’t get angry at your disillusioned and apathetic neighbor, they’re a symptom of the system being unrepresentative of the people for so many years.
Direct your anger at the DNC, demand they start listening to their base, demand that they start trying to garner non-voters with popular policies instead of moving further right to appeal to moderate Republicans.
Or better yet, send them letters regularly, like I plan to do, reminding them that all of the awfulness the American people are living through is a direct result of their entitlement and hubris. Maybe throw in their that they could probably get elected if they actually listened to the American people and ran on policy that reflected what they want.
But that’s probably too radical, let’s just keep blaming the electorate for wanting to participate in a system that represent them, not one that runs on “Please, we promise, last time we’re delaying fascism/the other guy, for realz for realz this time, we’ll totally enact all the laws, just give us more money you don’t have and give us four more years.” But, I’m clearly not as educated and smart as the people running the DNC, I mean, I haven’t lost 4 out of the last 7 elections trying to run the same playbook everytime,
They just have to run a candidate people want to vote for, not a candidate people have to vote for. But they won’t, because the DNC seems to think they know what people need better than they do. And their voting results this year clearly show that…
Yes, a Very Special Thanks to the morally pure angels who refused to vote for Kamala Harris because they were standing on high ground about some issue they disliked her on. Well done, fuckheads.
It’s kamala’s fault tho /s
It really was (or at least the Democratic party’s fault). If you take every single third party voter, assign them to Kamala, she still loses.
The real problem here is that people needed to be convinced that voting was worth it when Trump was a candidate. How the fuck do you even reach someone with such a pathetic lack of concern for the world? Seriously you people think if she vowed to stop Israel, magically these dip shit knuckle dragging morons would’ve jumped at the chance to vote for her. Millions of people told us they give zero fucks. And fuck them for that.
American voters in general dgaf about things that don’t affect them. Israel is irrelevant to your median American voter.
Yeah I agree. After this result you cannot argue that Americans in general give a flying fuck about their neighbor. It’s fucking pathetic. Zero faith in America, maybe humanity, left here.
That genocide is gonna stop any day now
Didn’t you hear? All Palestinians got a personal check for $1 million straight from trump himself.
As a Michigander, a special fuck you to all the dipshits who voted independent
Like Dearborn? Where Arab Americans had been sounding alarm bells for months about how democrats were losing them? How they were upset about their brothers and sisters being blown the fuck up in Palestine and Lebanon? How leftists were vehemently warning for months that Kamala’s callous take on the middle east “Im speaking now 🤫”, could cost her the election?
Your comment is just thinly-veiled racism. Next time, just say you blame american fascism on american Muslims.
And now that you are reaping, you’re lashing out. In textbook liberal fashion, you’re scapegoating minorities as fascism starts to come knocking.
If you can honestly look at the complete ineptitude of the democrat establishment and Kamala’s race, and still blame minorities, then I feel like I know which side you’re going to take when shit really starts getting volatile here.
None of that changes the reality that they did not vote for harm reduction and now more harm will come to the people they purport to protect (and likely themselves, now that evangelical christians are in power). This is textbook shooting off your nose to spite your face. There is no rule saying you need to pass a moral purity test to earn a vote, that’s a dumb construct that is hampering progress. You can vote for harm reduction, it’s ok. The conservatives keep winning and moving further right. The democrats could win and move further left if their cranky coalition would accept not getting everything they want for once.
Not sure if this is legit but a coworker said 20 million Democrats didn’t vote. That’s depressing knowing if they had voted Dem, Kamala most likely would’ve won.
It’s close to that. Another metric is 15 million fewer people voted Kamala than Biden last election. Trumps numbers stayed the same.
15 million people just fucking gave up.
Trump’s numbers didn’t stay the same. Despite winning the popular vote, Donald trump had 2 million less voters than in 2020. That’s a hefty chunk.
It just doesn’t matter, because 15 million other voters also didn’t show up.
Okay, sure, so that defines that there was overall voter apathy. So Harris lost 85% of the voters who didn’t bother showing up. That’s even more damning.
They also dropped IIRC: 74 - > 71
But that doesn’t help if the dems lose 15 M…
Looks like fairly close to the same amount v9ted this election (at least in my state) as the 2020 election. Maybe slightly higher.
Lotta people are blaming the dnc for the L. I blame them for forcing Hillary in 2016, but this go around? No. Neither candidate in 2024 was a great pick, but Harris was still clearly a better choice to run the country, and anyone could find that with a touch of research. Even passively.
This time around it’s because the majority of Americans are uneducated, short sighted, idiots. They voted in a senile 80 year old republican felon, while every one who worked under him in 2016 said not to vote for him, economists said not to vote for him, and everyone else but Putin across the globe screamed not to vote for him.
In 2020
Biden: 81.2 million
Trump: 74.2 millionIn 2024 so far
Harris: 67.0
Trump: 71.9Trump got about the same amount of votes. Dems lost 14 million votes.
Youch. I really thought the left would feel more pressed to actually vote this time, even more than in 2020. Screw this country. There was no reason for them to not go vote. People suck.
I think they know that. It would make sense for them to say what they did if they knew it.
But the media conglomerates are cheering. Just think how many clicks they will get now when rapey orange says something colossally stoopid.
Damn it, @SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world, you’re supposed to be here to make us laugh, not make us cry.
when does the candidate become responsible for their own turnout
As long as money is in politics, never.
We can always blame someone but the candidate who failed a popularity contest.
Pretty sure Trump once again spent less…
Lying is cheap, especially when the media just repeats your rallies without issue.
The moment trump got free press in 2016 was the worst point. They could have ignored him and we would have been doing Clinton vs Cruz.
Truth is literally free…
He got press because Clinton wanted it that way and he was the candidate, you can’t just not cover them.
He wasn’t always the nomation. It should have been:
“Wow Trump is trying to run. Weird. Anyways, moving on.”
You look at all the people giving “commentary” as they play his full speeches of racism and go “lol no one will listen to that”. When clearly a lot of networks covering an (at the time) niche candidate gave him more attention.
Also, lying is cheap. Investigating the truth costs time and labor. I can just say “The president is actually always mind controlled by Jews who are actually aliens” and it will take reasonable people longer to explain why that’s stupid, or look into why someone says it.
to be fair, the other candidate only had a few months. Biden is largely to blame.
Big ups to those people who “voted against genocide”.
Looking at that chart, she would have won in Wisconsin and gotten their ten electoral votes.
What does it look like for the rest of the states?
Across the country, it was Trump: 71,825,780 Everyone else: 69,303,000
It says at the top of the page it was last updated a day ago, but I kind of doubt the numbers will change too dramatically.
The other person was making the point that you can’t do it by total popular vote, you have to do it by state and then look at their electoral college votes.
But the electoral college is dumb and pointless. This is the first time a Republican won the popular vote since 2004, or since 1988 if you don’t want to count an incumbent victory. That alone should tell you plenty about the state of the country right now.
It’s dumb and pointless, but it’s literally the way a president is elected today. We have had many instances of people being elected president who didn’t win the popular vote. So if you want to try to figure out if third party candidates caused Trump to get elected, you have to look at it state by state.
But the electoral college is dumb and pointless
And its also how a president is elected in the United States, or 2016 would have gone a bit differently.
67m for Harris to 72m (rounded up) on the BBC; it was really not close eh.
Biden got 81.2 million.
How the fuck are people not voting. After all that.
Amnesia.
But how do you count “didn’t vote”? And what about “voted on other parts but not for President because genocide or whatever”? That second group might be countable, but the first is like proving a negative
But how do you count “didn’t vote”?
I didn’t, that’s voter turnout and probably won’t be fully available till all the votes are counted. If you’re impatient though, here’s the washington post comparing 2024 voter turnout to 2020.
Honestly, it doesn’t matter, even if every single 3rd party voter went for Harris, Trump still wins
Now count those that didn’t vote at all.
But how else will they blame anyone but themselves?
The meme is literally how else.
Yeah I heard halo polish is on sale at Walmart, they should check it out.
