The goal is to create a European Israel. A proxy state controlled by fascists that routinely commit warcrimes against other ethnic groups, funded and armed by the US. That’s why Zelenkskyy is being treated like a rock star and paraded around everywhere: So they can continue pushing the narrative that it’s impossible that Nazis control Ukraine because their “leader” is a Jewish man.

They’ll be used to carry out black ops against Russia for the foreseeable future, and then when Russia retaliates, the plausible deniability kicks in and NATO won’t have to get involved because Ukraine won’t be part of them still. The “genocide” rhetoric will be used to make Ukraine completely uncriticizable because you’d be lumped in as one of “them” (a fascist, ironically) denying the atrocities and not allowed anywhere near the MSM.

From there, one of two things will happen: Ukraine will get nukes and then we’ll all be in big shit or Europe will descend into chaos because of armed Nazis spilling over into other countries.

  • cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml
    18·
    3 years ago

    Unlikely. As much as Zelensky or his Nazi handlers would like to fantasize about turning Ukraine into another Israel, that fantasy relies on the assumption that Ukraine will come out of this with an intact military and with its current power structures in place and a stable state that is able to deploy an extensive militarized police force which will treat its Russian minority like Israel treats Palestinians. It relies on the assumption that it can be propped up, armed and protected by the US, like Israel is.

    None of that is going to be the case if Russia wins and imposes its demands. The only way Ukraine gets turned into Israel 2.0 is if Ukraine wins the military conflict, which i am curious to know how they think they will be able to do that given the way things are going.

    And the US and NATO know this. They are not blind. The best they can hope for is prolonging the conflict and hoping they can get some sort of insurgency going afterwards.

  • KomradeK@lemmygrad.ml
    15·
    3 years ago

    I’ve said this before but: It’s bold of you to assume that Ukraine will exist after this war. At least in it’s current form. With all the free guns handed out, it’s more likely the country will be plunged into civil war after a peace is achieved with Russia. Frankly I’m surprised infighting hasn’t already begun in the Ukrainian army or with armed civilians.

    • Weilai Hope@lemmygrad.ml
      141·
      3 years ago

      That wont begin while Russia is still inside Ukraine, it does unify the people. But afterwards we’ll probably see a civil war erupt, ruining the country for 10-20 years. Good job west.

  • Rafael_Luisi@lemmygrad.ml
    12·
    3 years ago

    Well if thats their plan, then it sucks. Ukraine is getting clapped in the ass by russia, those nazis and reddit batallions suck ass.

    We need to remember that israel was made in a time where the US was still competent. This is not the case anymore, i doubt they will be able to recreate their abomination once again.

  • ChasingGlowies@lemmygrad.ml
    9·
    3 years ago

    That is one of the fantasies entertained by NATO ideologues, yes, but that doesn’t mean it is remotely realistic.

    Don’t give western decision makers too much credit. It’s clear much of their policy and planning has been hijacked from actual intelligence or military experts by incompetent politicians high on neocon ideology.

    You will notice that nearly every “clever” idea to help Ukraine that is pushed in MSM falls flat, like the Foreign Legion or many of the arms transfers, because they’re all brain farts from inept chickenhawks. That which has quite hugely helped Ukraine stand a chance, like constantly receiving lots of intel from western surveillance tech, barely registers. But it’s the former type of initiatives that will draw most of the enthusiasm from establishment types, this is why ultimately the war will be a huge goof for NATO like many recent acts of imperialist aggression.

    • Mzuark@lemmygrad.mlOP
      2·
      3 years ago

      It’s clear much of their policy and planning has been hijacked from actual intelligence or military experts by incompetent politicians high on neocon ideology.

      Don’t forget rich idiots.

  • Jouissance_juice
    5·
    3 years ago

    I agree, I have been saying this since the beginning of the conflict, and I’m pretty sure there are plans to do the same in Pakistan.

    Its also possible that the US is just letting the Ukrainians believe they will get an ethnostate like Israel, there is no reason to believe the US is even capable of holding up their end of that deal, let alone that they would.