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    • REgon [they/them]@hexbear.net
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      AHAHAHAAHAHA THE FUCKING AUTHORITARIANISM ASSPULL yessir let’s fucking go talk to me about the concept cooked up by the US to conflate the USSR and the nazis. Authoritarianism is fucking meaningless as a concept, the only purpose is to be a scary word we use to describe bad countries.

      The US is already fascist as fuck, dumbfuck. People get tortured on US soil, they get disappeared to black sites, they get put in jail and forced to work as slaves, there’s concentration camps at the border, genocides like it’s going out of style, civil rights being removed and ignored and IT’S HAPPENING NOW and IT’S BEEN HAPPENING FOR YEARS

      Uhhhh yeah but under Trump uhhh suddenly I would notice which means that would make it uhhh uhhh wowee <- Your brain after finally having to think

    • Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.net
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      as defined by Umberto Eco

      You’ll find socialists reject this. It’s a vague and imprecise liberal definition that falls short of properly including all instances of fascism. Socialist definitions include all examples of fascism because fascism is correctly defined and more appropriately understood as a reaction to socialism. We call them reactionaries for a reason.

    • roux [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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      The entirety of the United States of America was built on Fascist ideology. Just because it didn’t have a name yet doesn’t mean our forefathers didn’t basically invent it.

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          One day you will look back upon how you are now and you will cringe immensely. I wish you experienced more pain and suffering for your behaviour than a simple cringe, but such is life.

          • migo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            Well, I’m not a genocide supporter but you are happy with mass deportations of millions of people. How intelligent, how brave, you truly understand the inner workings of political thought.

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                Looking at absolute numbers is disingenuous. Also, what the fuck “stronger Border Policy” means? Also, fuck you calling me fascist.

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                  You are a fascist though. You are voting for a genocidal racist who has diminished civil rights, bragged about jailing black people and promised to support genocidal regimes abroad. What you think doesn’t matter when what you do is in direct support of fascists. Fuck you, you fascist piece of shit.

                  Looking at absolute numbers is disingenuous

                  nerd akchually if you don’t look at the amount of people deported - A statement cooked up by the absolutely propagandized.

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                  Looking at absolute numbers is disingenuous.

                  Why? Justify your statements, don’t just say “nuh-uh”

                  Also, what the fuck “stronger Border Policy” means?

                  Presumably continuing the concentration camps in the US-Mexico border, doing more ICE raids (read: pogroms) and shutting down asylum.

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                  If it’s disingenuous, you have to provide reasoning for why you believe Biden to be better than Trump and Obama with respect to deportation. You were given a clear and sourced argument, then went “nuh-uh.”

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                    I think they found the same article I posted in the dunk tank a while ago that has a title like “no Biden hasn’t deported more.”
                    Now they’re reading the article and realising it doesn’t support the argument they wanna make

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      Ummm ackchually 99% Hitler isn’t directly genociding me yet so technically this is just authoritarian :smug:

      Both bourgeois parties are actively performing genocide in West Asia with a particular emphasis on Palestine right now. They both trip over each other trying to outdo one another’s anti-immigrant rhetoric. Both run concentration camps on the Mexico border. Both stoke hatred for LGBTQ+ people for cheap bigoted culture war points. Both crush strikes and protest movements. Both are imperialist servants to capital, and will do anything to further the military industrial complex, pharmaceutical industry, and finance groups which back them.

      Fascism is capitalism in decay, it is a corporatist economic structure with brutal repressive elements towards labor, activists, and minority groups. It’s imperial domination and exploitation. It’s establishing a supremacist in-group mindset and stoking all manner of bigotry to redirect people’s grievances away from class consciousness and into oppressing their fellow man. We have all of that now, despite slight differences in rhetoric between the Dems and Republicans. Both parties materially support and facilitate exactly that structure. The USA is a fascist country and has always been the primordial archetype for that system. Voting under a liberal democracy is nearly meaningless given that the system is rigged by capital from the start, but running water for these exploitative bourgeois genicodaires is disgusting. Your vote acts as endorsement and lends legitimacy to exactly these crimes which WILL continue regardless of which ghoul occupies the White House.

      • migo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        Agree on most of what you’re saying. However both don’t stoke hatred for LGBTQ+, and both don’t have the same approach to social and economical matters.

        The oversimplification of everything is the same is a path to fascism. That is being seen in Europe, in the US and elsewhere. Fucking Milei in Argentina as well.

        Finally, you’re not going to change a system that you are forced to participate in regardless of your opinion. Not voting in a 2-party system is accepting that the people who actually want a dictator, mass deportations, and a white evangelical society have one fewer vote to surpass.

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          The oversimplification of everything is the same is a path to fascism

          But you misunderstand us, everything is not the same. In the US, the borgeois double party encompasses a sprawling ecosystem of rich and varied fascism, with every species serving a purpose in facilitating the flow of capital. It’s fascists of the blue variety, usually willfully ignorant, who insist on ironically reducing a century’s worth of comprehensive analysis to “a simplification” just because it arrives at clear conclusions in a way that is verboten in liberal thought.

          In reality, it’s that trained liberal reflex of peeling off increasingly atom-thin layers of nuance to wrap over increasingly visible fascist policy that, historically, has only ever ended in naked fascism. Only liberals could torture into being the nebulous mirror image of a fascism to define themselves against that somehow also lets them off the hook for the genocide they’ve been doing for a year. My brother in capitalism, we are the fascists. You may personally think there’s still daylight between liberalism and fascism, but most of the world knows better by now.

          Finally, you’re not going to change a system that you are forced to participate in regardless of your opinion

          Very cool not-a-sham democracy we have here

        • newacctidk [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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          No they just both enable hatred for LGBTQ people and do nothing to stop it. the idea that said people at the end of your comment have to “surpass” any votes is childish. They didn’t have to surpass any votes to wipe out Palestine, they didnt have to surpass any votes to kill M4A. You bring fascism to everyone’s doorstep and then act baffled when we choose not to buddy up with you once it tries to get inside.

          • migo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            Again, you have 2 real options to choose from. On one side you have a guy that wants to be a dictator, on the other the same type of shit as always. Anything, even not voting, is a decision to pick one of these 2 options.

            If you really feel they are the same. You’re enabling the dictator that has a lot of supporters.

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              You are an actual lemming. If you provide your enthusiastic support for the ‘same as always’ candidate, when do you think things will ever change for the better? Grab a gun! Join a union! Stop telling people to vote for genocide!

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              You describe three options, but just keep proclaiming they are really two. Fucking Cardassian BS. You showing your belly to the democrats is enabling the dictator given the dems are TOUTING that they are fighting for Trump’s border policy.

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                You have only 2 outcomes. You can go there and shit on the ballot, that’s an option. But it doesn’t change having 2 outcomes.

                • Cowbee [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.net
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                  Elections are not isolated events in a vacuum, devoid of context, purely about which genocidal Imperialist wins.

                  that workers’ candidates are nominated everywhere in opposition to bourgeois-democratic candidates. As far as possible they should be League members and their election should be pursued by all possible means. Even where there is no prospect of achieving their election the workers must put up their own candidates to preserve their independence, to gauge their own strength and to bring their revolutionary position and party standpoint to public attention. They must not be led astray by the empty phrases of the democrats, who will maintain that the workers’ candidates will split the democratic party and offer the forces of reaction the chance of victory. All such talk means, in the final analysis, that the proletariat is to be swindled.

                  From the Mario and Luigi of Communism, marx-hi blushing-engels

                • REgon [they/them]@hexbear.net
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                  There’s actually an immense number of choices, but only 1 outcome, it’s the same shit with either of the two possible winners. This is your candidate. I’m sure the woman who voted against federal funding for abortion on two separate times will turn out to be a great crusader for Roe v. Wade

                  The best you can do is work towards creating an alternative for the future, which requires that you do not vote for them - And I need to be clear, not voting for them is less than the least you can do. The least you can do is go out and [redacted]

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          If you’re not doing another Reddit cliche of pretend-ignorance on top of your actual ignorance, you are very welcome to fuck off to anywhere you like as long as it’s not here.

          • migo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            Truly fucking demoratic. Someone disagrees with .1% of what you think is already too much for you to handle.

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              Passive-aggressive sarcasm is the core of Reddit. You already claimed you didn’t know where it was, so if that’s really true, go find it. You’ll fit right in and get all the nuance you can eat.

              bootlicker farquaad-point

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      What is Authoritarianism? How does it differ from fascism? Can you legitimately analyze the situation of the United States?

      If we follow Eco and Eco alone, the US is already fascist and has been. Eco doesn’t analyze the causes of fascism, nor how to prevent it.

      Read Blackshirts and Reds.

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      I agree that the US isn’t fascist in the traditional sense, which I believe is all that is being argued, but two things:

      1. What do you call a country that continuously props up fascist states abroad? That seems to me to be something [at least] as bad as fascism, even if it bears a different name.

      2. Umberto Eco is a bad source for explaining fascism to someone who isn’t a literal child, and even then I think a high schooler can do better. He is describing a disease based on a scant few cases pretty much exclusively through a set of symptoms and never actually understanding the disease itself. You might need to read more than five pages to understand the political-economic mechanics of fascism’s development within a society.

      • migo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        1. Imperialist and colonialist and of course it is bad, not arguing the contrary.
        2. It is, and there are a lot more to discuss the causes and how fascism appears, but it is an attempt at a definition because fascism isn’t linearly defined. If you read up on the actual somewhat consensual fascist regimes of 20th century Europe they have significant differences between Salazar, Franco, Mussolini or other. But we don’t consider imperialist UK fascist despite being a political abomination. Words matter and labeling everything fascist does a disservice for any political discussion.

        Regardless my main point is that we must, as individuals, live within the realms of systems we disagree with. And saying everything is the same is just not understanding nuance, in my opinion.