Overpopulation is not the cause of global warming. Most carbon is produced through the endless consumption of the economies of Europe and the US. It is not from places with high populations.
These talking points must be fought whenever and wherever they arise.
It’s more palatable for liberals to imagine the death of billions of people than even just a restructuring of the world’s economy away from proft driven capitalism. Very cool.
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Humans lived on the planet for tens of thousands of years without damaging the environment and natural ecosystems. I wonder what happened which caused us to suddenly start destroying our planet? Perhaps there is some system which encourages and incentivises the destruction of our planet…
this actually isn’t completely accurate, early human civilization deforested huge regions and actually created deserts and mini ice ages from it. Industrialization upped the scale massively, but most human civilization has always been at odds with the ecosphere. There are exceptions where certain peoples lived in better harmony, but generally large scale settlement and agriculture is destructive no matter how it’s done.
industrialization is the reason, which would occur under most any political or economic system.
Funny how people who talk about overpopulation always target poorer countries with large populations and never their own country where each individual is responsible for a lot more consumption of ressource.
I’ve tried bringing up ‘per capita’ consumption rates of the first world and specifically the US to these people and suddenly all their ‘reasonable debatelord’ energy goes right out the window and ‘that’ll never happen so why discuss it’ (because it involves them making a personal sacrifice)
My chilled soda and hour long commutes are the most sacred human rights and freedom on this planet!!! Can’t the subhumans just kill themselves and stop breeding or something. No I am not fascist I’m just a liberal that want love for the planet.
don’t forget outsourcing of tech production
I feel like eco-fascist talking points like this are already prevalent in liberal circles. I fully expect the majority of liberals to fully board the eco-fascist train within the next decade. Look at subreddits like r/collapse, where these ideas are basically the dominant ideology, and you’ll be gaslit if you point out that these are eco-fascist ideas.
Malthusianism and its consequences.
People do be peddling centuries old (eurocentric) theories that have been proven false time and time again.
All roads lead to fascism with liberals, even if they sometimes take a roundabout path to get there.
The green movement worldwide is completely compromised to serve the agenda of economic elites. In many cases their work actually increases the dependence on hydrocarbons (anti-nuclear movement, also there is a strong astroturf movement against power dams in the developing world). Politically they are married to liberalism’s worst excesses (imperialism and censorship of dissenting ideologies). It’s a total shitshow.
Honestly I have to admit I am very apprehensive about nuclear energy in places like the US where environmental safety regulations are at best a suggestion. In countries with a stronger government authority and more direct control over it I’m sure it’s better, but even still they really need to take a hard look at hardening such facilities against the guaranteed climate disasters that will strike.
Curiously, they haven’t started with themself
Even liberals ecologists recognize that the hungry for profits is the reason global warming is happening, for fuck’s sake… This people are hopeless.
I’m watching the USian show Handmaidens Tale right now, and the Christo fascists continually brag about their reduction in fossil fuels and carbon emissions. Made me realize how much of a fucking nightmare it’s going to be when the fascists start engaging climate change as a fact. Genuinely scared for that day.
Fully agree with your idea. We should remember to make this part of our arguments in debate. Its always strategic clever to debunk them before they even begin to say it. Own the argument
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Fascism with extra steps. Basically fascism formed from the guise of caring about the environment.
Tucker Caralson for example has acknowledged global warming, but only in so far as it serves a fascist agenda. He made an argument that immigration is bad because people coming from poorer countries have a lower carbon footprint, and if we accept them here they will have a bigger one.
They ignore the actual causes of ecological collapse in favor of furthering a racist and fascist agenda.
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basically using fascist solutions to “solve” ecological provlems
toxic individualism can at best make short term alliances to persecute ‘others’, but they will always collapse into infighting as every little shithead can’t help but see their neighbors as competitors and threats. This is basically where the western world and liberalism are at with climate change–they’ll shit on the vulnerable for a while to maintain their own standards of living and then when things get too bad for that to work anymore, complete collapse of anything remotely resembling civil society.
Im willing to try it ok, but the west goes first though.
