I have good relations with a lot of the YCL people in my area. According to them there’s a stark difference between the line preferred by the youth compared to the old guard. None of them want to amble on with the British Road to Socialism anymore and frankly seem a bit embarrassed by it.
But also, a communist party is a political party, obviously, and has to participate in the process; anything else is just negligent. Waiting for revolution or some shit is stupid.
Hell, waiting until people are either calling for armed revolt or deciding to do armed revolt right now is stupid and counter-productive and is how communist movements die out: by not engaging in actual politics even when the very nature of a communist party is political.
We shouldn’t be waiting for revolution, we should be organising for Survival until Liberation.
Obviously printing newspapers and sitting back with a cigar is pointless, but you must know that the establishment will never let a Communist government come to power in the UK
I agree but having some level of local and provincial governance is acceptable; it’s not reformism if the ultimate goal is revolution.
People don’t stop believing in communism just because “social democracy” or welfare programs; in the 1950s to 1980s, they turned anti-communist due to widespread propaganda taken up to eleven and the fact that there were essentially no real communist victories (or communist-led victories) to speak of in the United States (and I imagine it was somewhat the same in other Anglo countries).
Simply saying that the working-class was “pacified with concessions” like the Internet MLs tell you doesn’t explain things; people want victories, even if it’s just a minor election, they want to be proven right that they can even make a small dent.
Simply surviving is not organizing; you have to create dual power (and that includes creating some people within certain posts within the actual state governance, even if it’s minor).
I mean, I agree that we have to survive until the actual event occurs, but simply survival is just waiting, and you can’t expand hte movement if you’re just surviving (and simply agitating from the outside).
Eh, maybe we already agree; I don’t claim to be an expert.
Yeah I’m not opposed to running in elections - I just think the campaign should be used to
serve some other purpose since right now the British people are never going to vote en masse for a Communist candidate
Also, the CPB need to actually remember to submit their nomination papers next time lmaoo
I think I heard about that incident but didn’t believe it (but I can also believe that a lot of SolidNet parties are kinda old in terms of leadership).
Frankly, KKE has a great history, but its present is dire. It’s incredibly transphobic as well. Like, there are times where it has also been anti-neurodiverse (which has more attention, but think about that for a moment: they literally have a problem with people that even back in the 1960s to 2000s decade would’ve been mentally ill or disabled, which really rubs me the wrong way).
Also, I don’t mean to compare LGBTQ+ community to mentally ill or neurodiverse people, and I don’t see mental illness and neurodiversity as at all the same thing, but if we take what they say regarding “disabled” (I use that term loosely) people, then I would say that their view on the entire matter is downright fascistic.
Yet their youth wing can never and will never make amends for their awful handling of the sexual assault controversy. Not to mention the opportunist nature of Britains Road to Nowhere and the annoying hatred they seem to have for Stalin
Really? I had them down as more of a Khruschevite party
Count me corrected, still doesn’t change the fact that they waste money on unwinnable elections and think that parliamentarianism+alliance with Labour will lead to Socialism
Nah mate. My fellow activist recently tried applying this line axiomatically with an organised mass of anti-vaxxer people. Even if you go to these people open handed the fact of the matter is communism has 200 years of baggage against it these days. We have to adapt Marxism to our modern conditions, we can’t treat something Marx wrote in 1848 as a catechism.
CPB is getting better.
I have good relations with a lot of the YCL people in my area. According to them there’s a stark difference between the line preferred by the youth compared to the old guard. None of them want to amble on with the British Road to Socialism anymore and frankly seem a bit embarrassed by it.
Nah, it’s the same with my org, I getcha.
But also, a communist party is a political party, obviously, and has to participate in the process; anything else is just negligent. Waiting for revolution or some shit is stupid.
Hell, waiting until people are either calling for armed revolt or deciding to do armed revolt right now is stupid and counter-productive and is how communist movements die out: by not engaging in actual politics even when the very nature of a communist party is political.
We shouldn’t be waiting for revolution, we should be organising for Survival until Liberation.
Obviously printing newspapers and sitting back with a cigar is pointless, but you must know that the establishment will never let a Communist government come to power in the UK
I agree but having some level of local and provincial governance is acceptable; it’s not reformism if the ultimate goal is revolution.
People don’t stop believing in communism just because “social democracy” or welfare programs; in the 1950s to 1980s, they turned anti-communist due to widespread propaganda taken up to eleven and the fact that there were essentially no real communist victories (or communist-led victories) to speak of in the United States (and I imagine it was somewhat the same in other Anglo countries).
Simply saying that the working-class was “pacified with concessions” like the Internet MLs tell you doesn’t explain things; people want victories, even if it’s just a minor election, they want to be proven right that they can even make a small dent.
Simply surviving is not organizing; you have to create dual power (and that includes creating some people within certain posts within the actual state governance, even if it’s minor).
I mean, I agree that we have to survive until the actual event occurs, but simply survival is just waiting, and you can’t expand hte movement if you’re just surviving (and simply agitating from the outside).
Eh, maybe we already agree; I don’t claim to be an expert.
Yeah I’m not opposed to running in elections - I just think the campaign should be used to serve some other purpose since right now the British people are never going to vote en masse for a Communist candidate
Also, the CPB need to actually remember to submit their nomination papers next time lmaoo
I think I heard about that incident but didn’t believe it (but I can also believe that a lot of SolidNet parties are kinda old in terms of leadership).
Yeah not to mention the Greek Communist Party with their homophobia
Frankly, KKE has a great history, but its present is dire. It’s incredibly transphobic as well. Like, there are times where it has also been anti-neurodiverse (which has more attention, but think about that for a moment: they literally have a problem with people that even back in the 1960s to 2000s decade would’ve been mentally ill or disabled, which really rubs me the wrong way).
Also, I don’t mean to compare LGBTQ+ community to mentally ill or neurodiverse people, and I don’t see mental illness and neurodiversity as at all the same thing, but if we take what they say regarding “disabled” (I use that term loosely) people, then I would say that their view on the entire matter is downright fascistic.
(I hope I’m making myself clear. 😵💫)
Yet their youth wing can never and will never make amends for their awful handling of the sexual assault controversy. Not to mention the opportunist nature of Britains Road to Nowhere and the annoying hatred they seem to have for Stalin
Every CPB member loves Stalin.
Really? I had them down as more of a Khruschevite party
Count me corrected, still doesn’t change the fact that they waste money on unwinnable elections and think that parliamentarianism+alliance with Labour will lead to Socialism
Where I’m at the CPB/YCL lot love papa Stalin.
They don’t.
Have you read BRS?
I have. You’re confusing public policy with what they believe.
The Communists disdain to conceal their views
Nah mate. My fellow activist recently tried applying this line axiomatically with an organised mass of anti-vaxxer people. Even if you go to these people open handed the fact of the matter is communism has 200 years of baggage against it these days. We have to adapt Marxism to our modern conditions, we can’t treat something Marx wrote in 1848 as a catechism.
This is stupid and we’ve already gone against Marx in this respect. Every communist party since 1917 has done this.