Hmm… I wonder why a certain user who’s been posting non-stop about third-party candidates for the entire lifespan of their account chose to ignore this particular article. One would assume it’s important for the voting public to know about this, no?
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Right?! Thanks, friend! :)
Here’s your chance. Defend the article.
They’re ecstatic to be on the same team as Duke, but as usual everything they say is meaningless bullshit with about the same value as a 10 second long wet fart
Stein’s campaign says it wants nothing to do with Duke, the former American Nazi Party member
Stein’s campaign manager, Jason Call, disavowed the endorsement and called Duke “trash.”
And yet Duke agrees with her goals. Totally meaningless /s
As funny as it is, I think really that is where it can stop. Someone abhorrent said they support someone, that person said, no. No means no.
Dude, I didn’t even post the article. Maybe you can ask the person who did? Did you even look at the name of the poster?!
And what is there to “defend”? NBC News wrote an article that David Duke endorses Stein. I didn’t write it, produce it, edit it, publish it, or even post it to Lemmy. I have nothing to do with this article being on Lemmy.
Exactly what part do you want defended? That NBC news talked to someone? I’m unclear on what you’re trying to ask me to do. Thanks!
Dude, I didn’t even post the article.
Looks like I’m 2 for 2 already
Bingo!
You constantly try to defend Stein and 3rd party voting. YOU posted the same exact article, remember, you linked to it. So I was giving you a chance to respond to the article on here that had traction vs your post that had zero. You didn’t, so that’s all I need to know.
What is there to respond to? I didn’t write the article. And I didn’t post “the same exact article” either. There is no rule that we have to “respond” to articles that we post or don’t post.
This article reported some political news. This is a political news community. So people post political news articles.
Not sure what sort of “gotcha” moment you are looking for here. Are you trying to imply that just because some racist wacko inserted himself into the news and said that he supports Jill Stein, that it has anything to do with me?!
Or what is it that you’re looking for from me? I don’t understand.
Who are you referring to? I’m debating some “Harris needs to earn my vote. So it’s her fault if Trump wins.” idiots right now.
Unfortunately if I name this person there’s a good likelihood this discussion gets removed since the rules prohibit calling out bad faith actors, even the painstakingly obvious ones. So I’ll leave you with this: you needn’t look far to find that which you seek.
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My life got much better after I blocked that account a few weeks ago
You think that articles from Newsweek, AP News, CNN, The Hill, USA Today, and Reuters are “Russian propaganda?!” Really?
And why would I get paid to post news articles from news sites to Lemmy of all places?!
Absolutely no one likes you. Go away.
Well, if no one likes me, then shouldn’t be a problem for me to post here. And you can always block me too. Thanks! :)
I don’t have to explain anything to you ;)
You’re making .ml look sane.
Keep up the good work 🤡
I’ve had a tag on the user I think you’re referencing for a minute now. It’s quite helpful.
Hmm. I can think of someone who was recently accused of running two accounts. Something like bad mythical figure name.
Who got accused of running two accounts?
Maybe a play on “omnipresent zealot”
=)
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Who is it?
I don’t know about you, but I’m saving this post for future citations.
Solid plan.
and be sure to save this too:
Stein’s campaign says it wants nothing to do with Duke, the former American Nazi Party member
Stein’s campaign manager, Jason Call, disavowed the endorsement and called Duke “trash.”
It’s almost like people argue in bad faith on the internet. Fancy that!
Omg 😱 you might be onto something!
Or some people just don’t agree with the echo chamber. Just because they don’t change their minds and vote differently than others, doesn’t mean it’s in bad faith. Thanks! :)
True, some people agree with former KGB agents.
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Great points. Thank you, friend! :)
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how does this article impact anyone’s support for a 3rd party?
Because it’s already been posted here and this community doesn’t allow duplicate posts. It’s also been posted in Politics Unfiltered.
I don’t know what user you’re referring to, but I’ve commented in this thread. And I posted another article referring to David Duke and Jill Stein. https://lemmy.world/post/20893592
I thought it was interesting, so I posted it. Thank you! :)
Ah so you were late to /c/politics. Well I suppose we all have busy days at work sometimes. You’ll get ‘em next time champ.
Wait, I thought Lemmy was under the impression that I post every 17 minutes, 24 hours a day?! And that I’m a team of people. Oh AND that I’m a bot.
So if all that’s true, how was I having a “busy” day at work?!
Look at you deflecting.
You average a submission every seventeen minutes and thirty-eight seconds and that’s public information.
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Typical non-American crack head.
I feel pity at your existence 🤷
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Woah hey now all I said was you probably had a busy day at work. A little weird to bring up bots and teams of bad actors dude, chill.
People have said that about me. So I’m just wondering how all of those diverse viewpoints can be correct if I am at work and having a busy day.
I don’t recall having brought any of that up? At any rate, it seems like whatever your occupation is, it’s pretty stressful. That sucks.
I didn’t say that you brought it up. I mentioned that many on Lemmy say that about me.
My job isn’t stressful at all. Thanks, friend! :)
No, “Lemmy” isn’t under that “impression”. Are you trying to say your profile page is wrong, or that math is?
If multiple people are guessing that you’re a bot or a paid propagandist you may see that as a sign you’re terminally online and should go explore the real world for a bit.
Maybe you could develop a sense of personality and lose the burden of supporting a failed style of governance
🤷 Idk, I’m not your dad.
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I can’t laugh heard enough about this.
Someone should cross post this to a certain Satanist’s page.
Fake* Satanist
Unfortunate.
Luckily, I can still hear laughs.
ERMAGHERD dat typo!
What I suspect is happening here is that an endorsement of this nature can be seen as a “kiss of death” - folks who might otherwise vote for a candidate might be turned off once they hear this news.
Last time it seems the GOP candidate got the endorsement and lost, so to prevent a “kiss of death” effect in this election he is endorsing a spoiler in order to continue drawing votes away from Harris, while hoping to retain votes for the GOP candidate, causing the election to swing to a GOP win.
Remember, as the GOP guy famously said, “A vote for Stein is a vote for me!”
(Now, will this strategy actually be effective? I have doubts that enough people pay attention to this group for it to be relevant.)
Who the hell would change their vote from Harris to Stein based on an endorsement from a former Ku Klux Klan leader?!
No one. Rather, it’s a call to energize white nationalists groups to indirectly support the GOP candidate, while avoiding the kiss of death for him.
If this doesn’t really seem to make too much sense, it’s because it doesn’t. I doubt the folks behind this thought it through that well…
He is not just any wizard. He is grand.
And we all know Lemmy likes wizards.
I put on my robe and wizard hat.
His hat is whack
The grandest
The funniest part about this is I had no idea David Duke was alive. He was the main villain of BlackKKlansman. Imagine living to see yourself get written as the villain of a hit movie.
Also, mandatory fuck David Duke and Jill Stein.
BlackKKlansman
TIL
Hahahaha. Of course he did.
Can we all finally agree that supportingJill Stein is being the 11th person at the table?
If you think this reflects badly on stein ask yourself 2 questions, did he endorse her because she’s also a white supremacist? Did she accept the endorsement?
The answer to the first is probably no since stein is a Jewish women so I don’t think she’d get along well with all the other white supremacists who think she’s sub-human. The reason he endorsed her was because she’s the only one who would end the war in Gaza and fight the “Jewish lobby”. If your a Zionist and believe that any action against Israel is anti-Semitic then yeah stein and Duke are the same. If you live outside that delusional world then you’d recognize dukes dislike for Israel and steins, (and most of the worlds) dislike for Israel come from two completely different values systems and world views.
The answer to the second is easier, No, her campaign rejected it and called him trash as soon as they heard about it.
So does this actually reflect badly on stein, or is this just the ravings of an insane person who’s trying to elect a Jewish woman to take out his imagined grand Jewish conspiracy? Critique stein if you want but this is nothing.
I generally agree with you, but it does make her eat some of her own words as pointed out elsewhere in this comment section:
Stein stans refusing to engage with this screencap while also arguing that it’s okay because Stein disavowed Duke’s endorsement:
They share the same goal so it’s not a coincidence he’d endorse her.
What exactly is the goal you think they share and how does his endorsement advance that goal?
Seems like a fair question on such a vague statement. Like climate goals? Israel? Snack cakes?
He left it up to readers to self insert to not have to make a statement that can be fact checked. It’s cheap conversation.
Thank you for bringing logic to this thread!
For real. If David Duke endorsed Harris, democrats would be crowing about it and saying they’ll take all the help they can get (see all the recent neocon ghoul endorsements).
What a load of bullshit.
At least David Duke wasn’t responsible for multiple imperial invasions.
I’m not defending Dick Cheney.
But you can’t try to argue that the Holocaust denying former grand wizard of the KKK wouldn’t do that if he was given the chance.
Not yet, but you can still have hope
Absolute bullshit
People weren’t welcoming Dick Cheney’s endorsement of Harris?
🤡
A self portrait of the poster.
Are you suggesting that Cheney and Duke are equivalent?
No, Duke is a huge piece of shit, but Cheney has done immeasurably more harm to the world.
Edit: Ah, I forgot that to liberals, it is a greater sin to be an (uncouth) racist, than it is to be the architect for the deaths of a million people.
sHiTlIbS you mean?
Self identify however you want.
If one has more power, they are likely to do more harm in the world, regardless of how shitty they are of a human being. While I have no love affair with Cheney, he is not the absolutely piece of human garbage that Duke is.
You think that people here are defending Cheney, but really it’s you defending Duke.
What the fuck? Duke is a piece of shit absolutely, but Cheney has done real fucking harm to the world that you can measure in dead children. Cheney is worse by far.
nope and you know that. they clearly said even these monsters think Trump is worse than their ideological opposite.
I saw quite a lot of “hey we’ll take whatever help we can get”.
Right. Meaning if this wins over a few old school republicans, cool. Zero democrats like or welcome the ideologies of people like Cheney. Which everyone here knows.
Right. Which is the same as what I suspect you’d say if it was David Duke endorsing Harris too.
lololol sure.
Yep!
David Duke is responsible for my phase where I grew out of a simplistic view of politics and economics and started looking into things a little deeper. Hear me out: Back in the day, I went through a Libertarian phase. I supported Ron Paul. I was young and stupid, what can I say? Anyway, I read some news article that claimed that David Duke donated to his campaign. I was like, “Hmmm, what’s this all about?” And so began my realization that things are never as simple as we want them to be. So, thanks for being a racist dick, David Duke. Without your donation to Ron Paul raising my suspicions, it may have been at least a few more months before I picked up on the rotten smell. I might have actually put that stupid bumper sticker on and everything (shudder).
David Duke’s endorsement is a slander, and I think he knows that and uses it intentionally.
That’s OK. If it gives a few more people one more reason not to vote Jill Stein, I’ll take it.
Seriously. Jill Stein has done nothing and doesn’t deserve anyone’s vote.
In this recent case, yes. I never made a statement one way or the other on that in my comment, though. Being the type of person he is, he has the choice of being either serious or unserious with his endorsements. Putin does the same thing when he makes some sort of open statement regarding who he would prefer to win the election.
Back in the day, I went through a Libertarian phase. I supported Ron Paul.
You and the entirety of reddit in the 2012 election I think. To be fair, there’s plenty liberals and libertarians agree on. Unfortunately, you can share some common beliefs with someone and they can still be a piece of shit.
I was ahead of the curve and liked Ron Paul in early 2008. He made some damn good points about the housing market back in 2007. Turns out he was right and the market collapsed.
That bought him some credibility, but then the Tea Party happened. It was ugly enough that I took a harder look at Paul.
Remember when we thought the tea party was crazy?
Yeah, the moment they started to gain any media attention.
Lol so wait.
You stopped being a Libertarian because someone donated to someone else? Are you serious? You know that… anyone can donate to anyone, right? It doesnt mean there is a mutual friendship lol. Sheesh, never seen remote intelligence from the .world TLD that’s for sure.
The thought process is “do I really want to be a part of a system that the KKK has decided furthers/aligns with goals etc”
If something is good for racists it’s probably worth a critical examination.
It was quite a bit more complicated than that, of course. That was just the first catalyst that sent me down a new road.
Best endorsement dems could hope for, really.
I see this more as a loss of support for Trump, just like the many Republican endorsements for Harris. It doesn’t change Stein’s chances either way, and who supports someone is more a sign of how that person leans, not the candidate.
What will be interesting (but again, inconsequential) is how Stein will treat this. Ignore? Simple thanks? A rally to try and pull more of those who would follow him? (I think some will see where I’m going there)
They rejected it. From the article:
Stein’s campaign manager, Jason Call, disavowed the endorsement and called Duke “trash.”
“We had no idea about this and are very, very not interested in David Duke’s endorsement,” Call told NBC News.>
Nothing can hurt or help Stein’s chances. She’s not a real choice. I don’t even think she’s on enough states’ ballots to get the required number of electoral votes.
She can’t win, but she’s on enough ballots to affect the outcome. I assume she knows this and either directly wants Trump to win or is so twisted around with hatred for the Democratic party she doesn’t care that hurting them hurts the entire country.
Florida 2000 Presidential Election results:
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Bush: 2,912,790 (48.847%)
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Gore: 2,912,253 (48.838%)
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Nader: 97,488 (1.64%)
If just 538 Nader voters had gone to Gore, representing 0.0091% of the total vote, Al Gore would have been president.
Tiny fucking margins can change the world. Ask a bunch of dead Iraqi people if they feel like there would have been no meaningful difference between Bush and Gore.
To be fair, the US Supreme Court decided the 2000 election. Gore’s lead would have needed to be higher than the threshold to automatically trigger a recount for that outcome to have changed.
Given that more Iraqis were killed by the Clinton era sanctions, crippling food and medicine access for Iraq, as well as the general hawkishness of the Dems, as evident again with Israel today, it wouldn’t have made a difference.
When it comes to invading and murdering brown people, both parties are pretty similar. Heck Hillary Clinton always got a hard on for escalating to war with Iran.
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Right? Imagine Trump not being racist enough for David Duke. I bet he’d be really mad if he weren’t straight vibin
It doesn’t change Stein’s chances either way
Which is 0% since she literally cannot win enough electoral votes.
Agreed!
Aaaaand there ya go. This is all you need to know about Jill Stein right? Because if Harris is a conservative because of Cheney’s endorsement….
Or are the rules different?
Stein’s campaign says it wants nothing to do with Duke, the former American Nazi Party member.
It’s one thing to be endorsed by an undesirable party, it’s another to accept it or even invite them to campaign with you.
It’s one thing to be the type of person that a racist piece of shit would endorse, and another to be the type of person that a person who hates racist pieces of shit would endorse.
Harris has her own share of problematic endorsements (Cheney, Gonzalez,…). Sure, they’re not explicitly racist, ‘just’ war criminals, but she accepted them and is actually bragging about getting them.
Right. Because Harris needs the support to keep a criminally charged rapist from being a dictator for a day and calling the military against his own people. Having the support of a Republican in this environment is a pretty big deal. That is reaching FAR across the aisle in an almost unheard of show of support- and it sends a message of solidarity against a fascist.
Having a dirt bag irrelevant racist support a sketchy spoiler candidate?
Well, that’s just damn easy to “deny,” isn’t it? I mean… there’s no downside. And it sure looks good to the press to turn him down, doesn’t it? But then again, it doesn’t look good to have him up her ass to begin with…
Why can’t she reach far to the left to get their support instead? If potential Jill Stein voters can lose her the election, she could see what those people care about and reach out to them?
They would’ve probably been fine with a stop on sending offensive weapons while keeping iron dome stocked or something like that.
Instead they’re trying to find the mythical voter that gives a shit about what Dick Cheney thinks.
Because sadly, FAR more people seem to give a shit about what Cheney says than there are those that seem to give a shit about what Stein says. And not only that, but I’d wager that no matter what she does- a large percentage of the far left and socialists probably aren’t going to vote for Harris anyway. Even if Stein endorsed her.
(Remember a guy named Bernie back in 2016? Yeah. A lot of the “Bros” voted for Trump to spite the DNC)
Their minds are made up and are locked in every bit as tight as their folded arms are.
And I’d wager that she is ACUTELY aware of this. Between her, and all of her advisers- do you think there is no one that understands what she must do to get the votes she needs? Do you seriously think she hasn’t thought of courting the far left vote? She’s not an idiot.
She knows the far left exists.
And she knows many of them have a track record of not showing up regardless. Over 100,000,000 people didn’t vote in 2016. And we got trump- with warning signs of what he would do.
We don’t have warning signs now. We know EXACTLY what he will do, and the far left are all holding their vote hostage over shit many of them didn’t even care about a year ago.
So I’m sorry, but their demands are going to fall on willfully deaf ears. The far left vote is not something Harris is going to risk losing an election over. And historically, candidates that lean too far left…
Lose.
And now, at this point, I’m going to say that we’re far too late in the game for me to care about how you feel about this. This is what it is. This is where we are. You can help us keep America breathing by voting for the one person that has a chance to win, or you can pull the plug because of a single-issue that most of you don’t even really understand.
Either way. Someone is getting elected. Whether you like it or not- with or without your help.
So if you think you can win without trying to court their votes, why the vitriol?
Also: https://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/election_scorecard/2007/10/sour_grapes.html 20% of Clinton supporters ended up voting for McCain, the number for Sanders voters is 10%. Sanders did everything to make sure Clinton won, and he still got blamed for her terrible campaign losing.
bragging about getting them.
What a disgusting and willful disingenuous pile of horse shit.
I don’t need to watch anything to know that what you’re implying isn’t reality
It’s literally a video by a pro-Democrat channel of Harris promoting the endorsements.
Why do you think a literal Nazi would be honest in his public endorsements and not just doing it for tactical reasons?
Think about it. Trump supporters gonna Trump. This “endorsement” is aimed at harming Steins campaign with moderate and progressive voters, as is evident with the reaction here.
Now the question is, why he wants to do that, as it helps the Harris campaign. What does he think he gains from helping Harris?
Wow. You didn’t even read the article, did you?
Stein’s campaign seems to exists solely to harm the democratic nominee. This is pretty well known by many at this point. She doesn’t denounce Putin’s war crimes, uses Trumps lawyers….
And now, a long-time Trump supporter is backing her, and you’re suggesting that it’s for the strategic purpose of hurting Jill’s chances? She never had a chance to begin with! She only exists to take votes like yours away from the only person capable of beating Trump.
The Olympic-contending mental gymnast required to avoid the obvious here are impressive!
So you claim Steins goal is to siphon votes away from Harris in order to help Trump.
So the target audience of Stein under that premise are center/progressive voters. The target audience clearly is not Trump voters.
So even if Steins goal is solely to siphon votes from the Dems, any vote that goes to her is a “win” for her. And the opposite, any voter deciding to go back to Harris is a “loss” for her.
Him endorsing Stein is clearly aimed at achieving the latter. You said it yourself,
Stein’s campaign exists solely to harm the democratic nominee
So her target audience are solely potential dem voters. And these are alienated by that endorsement, as is also very clear in this thread.
So there is two options:
A - the guy is a total moron
B - he is achieving exactly what he wantsA seems unlikely to me, as nazi leaders are despicable and evil, but smart and scheming.
So you claim Steins goal is to siphon votes away from Harris in order to help Trump.
Yes.
So you agree that the nazi guy is helping Harris by him alienating progressive voters from Stein.
Then you have to conclude that he is just very very dumb, or you have to agree with my statement, that he wants to harm Stein and help Harris. Which brings the important question, what does the nazi guy gain from helping Harris?
As the guy was leading a large organization, him being dumb is unlikely. Him being good at scheming and manipulating on the other hand is very much on brand.
The rules are the same. They’re both trash.
Cornel West 2024. Zero endorsements from republicans and other white supremacists.
To counter your little edit there:
No endorsements, eh?
Hey look everyone!
It’s yet another “third party candidate supporter” that seemingly never says anything at all to ever support their candidate aside from just trashing Harris and Harris alone.
Trump who? Amirite?
Fucking. LOL.
Yeah I mean what else is there to say. Damn.
Didn’t Richard Spencer endorse Biden in a game of 64D chess as a 5000 IQ play?
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Still either way, Jill’s an Ableist Transphobe on Putin’s payroll and even if she wasn’t, she cannot win a single state under the current Electoral College so she could be literally the second coming of Christ and it wouldn’t matter.
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Please don’t summon them.
They’re just at their Latter Day Satanic Trump rally. Give em time
Ok, that’s pretty funny. An endorsement shouldn’t be taken too seriously (given a certain string of endorsements I don’t like for Harris) but it’s still really funny. Fuck Jill Stein.
And they declined his endorsement:
Stein’s campaign says it wants nothing to do with Duke, the former American Nazi Party member
Stein’s campaign manager, Jason Call, disavowed the endorsement and called Duke “trash.”
Why do people even care what a gross white supremacist thinks?
because if a gross white supremacist starts saying/doing things I agree with I need to evaluate if he’s changing or if I’m changing.
This. Actually this. This right here.
There’s an argument to be made about broken clocks, but sometime the answer is simpler than that. “Have I become the asshole?” It’s not fun to run into that, and I have on multiple occasions. You have to be aware of your biases, and check them on occasion in case they’ve drifted while you’re not paying attention.
Nobody is immune to propaganda or above error, particularly those who believe they are
