cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/20593353
By Imran Mulla in Liverpool, United Kingdom Published date: 22 September 2024
this and macron creating a conservative government despite leftists winning the most votes in france makes me wonder if a leftist victory is ever possible.
Not through liberal “democracies” no, where the entire point is to keep capitalists in power. Unionizing and organizing for a revolution has always been the only way.
The much bigger problem is the apathy and stupidity of the average person.
Every single person in Western countries has enough information to see through the bullshit of the political class and they have the power to vote them out. But they don’t. They don’t want to be bothered by actually taking responsibility, they just want someone else to blame. Jews, immigrants, gays, doesn’t matter.
Many will argue with propaganda, but most of the propaganda is extremely blatant. You’ll only believe it, if you want to believe it. It may solidify resentments, but it won’t create them out of nowhere.
Even if it’s true that people are stupid (which is also a narrative pushed which ensures apathy) that is completely irrelevant. Why is it that these apparently stupid people believe the “wrong thing”? Well, it’s the same as always. The capitalists are better organized than us, and those supporting them know of no other alternatives. So for a successful revolution the oppressed class needs to get better organized (which IS happening, albeit slowly).
If YOU feel apathetic, please find a socialist/communist/radical left party/group and join it. It can help immensely
If YOU feel apathetic, please find a socialist/communist/radical left party/group and join it. It can help immensely
i’ve done this and we accomplished little more than a few demonstrations that went completely unnoticed and some phone calls that were never returned; not all party/groups are helpful.
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Not the “proper” way, that way was designed to prevent a leftist victory from ever happening, and shutting it down if it does. However, history has shown that it’s incredibly achievable once people get together and decide to stop playing the ruling class’s games.
However, history has shown
i think that this is the key part. i’m unaware of a leftist victory in the global north since the great depression and i suspect it’s because the hegemonic powers have gotten so good and so organized at mitigating possible class cohesion that we’re stuck in this pattern until something very drastic happens to society centuries/millennia from now; making a leftist victory a practical impossibility for any of us in ours or the next several generation’s lifetimes.
just don’t talk about it and it doesn’t exist :)
It’s literally pollicital correctness gone mad.
Doesn’t matter. Talk about talk about war crimes and state enforced segregation.
“Are we the baddies?”
The Labor Party has banned the word “baddies” from their conference.
Absolutely hilarious how western countries continue lecturing others on democracy and human rights.
Nazi fucks.
Labor party is y’all’s conservative dominant party?
Labour (with a u since it’s a proper noun from the UK) is named after trade unions; they’re the progressive party
So like the dems, they’re supposed to be marginally less fascist than the opposition
Emphasis on “supposed to”
They try really hard to make the difference de facto as small as possible whilst being loudly theatrical about how “different they are” to make it seem as big as possible.
It’s why for example in the US you get loud outrage about some stupid teenagers posting a photo were they spell the N-word, but nowhere the same outrage about kids in poor inner city neighbourhoods not having anywhere the same chances in life as the rest because schools there are shit or having significantly lower life expectation because for poor people food is shit, houses are shit, healthcare is shit, even the mattresses they sleep on are shit - all of which are things which disproportionatelly impact minorities and are the mechanisms via which racism shapes lives and causes suffering 24/7.
Again and again make clown shows of morons being morons (and there are always morons) so as to avoid addressing the actual ways in which people are oppressed because those are all about money and one can’t negativelly impact the wealth and what the priviledges it buys, and if there’s one thing where both the Fascists and the Marginally-Less-Fascist are exactly the same is making sure the wealthy remain wealthy and can derive maximum priviledges of it, with zero concern for all those who must suffer for it to be so, minority members or otherwise.
The leftmost in an array of rightwing parties, anyway
What about the greens? They sound lefty
At least back when I lived in the UK the Greenparty were the only national party which was Leftwing, though I believe nations other than England did had more mainstream left of center parties.
I was actually a member of the Greenparty until I left the UK following Brexit and at least the people in my local are were trully well intentioned people though quite naive (IMHO). Then again in the UK I worked for almost a decade in Finance - which was pretty much Sociopath-Central - so maybe it was me being significantly more cynical and skeptical than average rather than them being more naive.
Tores, torries, torees? Is the other one right?
Tories yeah
If I plug my ears and go ‘lalalalalalala I can’t hear you’ then nothing bad is happening.
UK Labour party
Zero surprise in seeing the hard Neoliberals of New Labour siding with ethno-Fascists and silencing criticism of it even from their own party members.
For those who didn’t follow it, some years ago the Labour membership elected an actual Leftie to lead the Party - Jeremy Corbyn - overthrowing decades of total control of the party by the New Labour faction (who are hard Neoliberals, not Leftwing, and whose policies were at one point deemed by none other that Margaret Thatcher as “my greatest achievement”) and what followed was a massive slander campaign, mainly using accusations of anti-semitism anchored on statements from Israeli linked Jewish organisations, even at one point with New Labour faction politicians relentlessly keeping on the slander campaign during an election causing Labour to lose it, something they then claimed as being because Corbyn was “unelectable”, until they finally managed to bring down Corbyn and restore power to the New Labour faction who promptly went on a purge of the Labour part of any overltly Leftwing members.
Fast-forward to present times and the Neoliberals who now control the Labour party have a huge debt to the Zionists, hence their support of their Genocide (and the recent “we’re blocking some arm sales” announcement only “blocked” 20 out of 300 kinds, and was clearly just the the usual theatre so typical in UK politics)
whips out the thesaurus
I’m guessing that’s a great idea here. Either the censorship fails in a wave of “de-peoplising” memes or whatever, or they’re forced to make the rules more and more dragnet until they’re transparently fighting their own activists and party members.
Assuming there’s not actually much grassroots support for memoryholing the whole situation, anyway.
“General Slide”
“Apartment hide”
“Glenner lied”
“A part thigh”
UK Labour Party managers blocked the words “genocide” and “apartheid” in reference to Israel’s conduct against Palestinians from being used in brochures at a side event during its annual conference in Liverpool.
Conference in the Zone Of Interest.
