Post this to lemmy.ml/c/worldnews so I can see the white supremacist whining.
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freeze peach moment
Wow lol, just complete mask-off islamophobia. Shit like this really does just shatter liberal minds I guess 🤣
But y’know, muh weegers and all that nonsense.
Unusual India w.
I do not see my own country anywhere on the list
Some countries are not part of the UN HRC right now. They usually rotate a couple of voting seats for countries per region. It confused me a bit too.
If you want to burn a book please do so so long as its your property. Quran, bible, whatever.
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I love that you dropped in to post that on a topic about racism. Shows where you stand for sure.
Enlighten us
Human nature 🤓
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It’s important to be aware of the context of how Muslims are treated in the West. The issue isn’t burning a religious text, it’s that allowing these far-right rituals just fuels the irrational hatred of Muslim people, especially refugees
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I used to think religion itself was the problem, but becoming a communist has changed my perspective on this. Capitalism creates unjustifiable hierarchies that allow religion to weild immense power within our society. This can be prevented under socialism, turning religion into just another part of our culture.
This can be prevented under socialism, turning religion into just another part of our culture.
You know who tried? Socialist Poland for example.
Don’t you think this type of thinking is reductive? Does it not give credit to those who claim communism doesn’t work because the USSR tried it? It completely ignores the specific material conditions of the time and place.
Excuse me i didn’t wrote a 50 pages dissertation about that, i assumed you know this never happened anywhere where religious organizations had any significant power.
What is REALLY reductive (and also historically proven incorrect) is writing “Capitalism creates unjustifiable hierarchies that allow religion to weild immense power within our society.”* and “This can be prevented under socialism, turning religion into just another part of our culture.”
*EDIT: while theoretically correct, it does that, all systems of class society before did the same, so it’s not sole fault of capitalism. Hell, even socialist countries didn’t liquidated those hierarchies.
My apologies if my comment came of as cententious. I think this is an interesting conversation and I’m interested in learning more and gaining insight into the different the perspectives of other comrades on the topic.
this never happened anywhere where religious organizations had any significant power.
Admitted, I’m pretty niave on the history of both of these, but what are your thoughts on this in relation to Tibet and Xinjiang? In Tibet, they banished the Dalai Lama, but not religious practice. And in Xinjiang, I believe I read there’s more mosques there than anywhere else in the world. It seems education has been the key in reducing religious extremism in the region as opposed to outright banning religion.
That’s a slippery slope boss banning expression always is.
complete freedom of expression doesn’t exist anywhere, there are always limits and some are more reasonable than others
Yes, and the limits installed have to be carefully devised. In this case you say you can’t burn a Muslim holy text. Can I burn a Jewish one, Buddhist? What if Heinlein is my religion and someone burns a stranger in a strange land, is it the same, different? How so?
As I said in my original comment, consider the context. There is no noteworthy discrimination against followers of Heinlein, if such people exist, and as far as I know it’s not a religion recognized by any country. There is extreme discrimination against Muslims in the West. There’s also discrimination against Jews. For Buddhists, it would likely be less of a problem since it’s not a prominent religion in the West, but it could also lead to further escalation.
Even if we analyze this without context, what kind of expression is the state silencing by not allowing public book burning? We’re not talking about someone burning a Quran in their home, where nobody else can see it. Do you believe it should be legal to stand in a public place and shout ethnic slurs into a megaphone?
Opposing hate based provocation is not approval of anything, come on, terrible take.
So you’d rather disapprove of religion in a way that provides cover for reactionaries to commit violence against already marginalized people?
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You don’t need to agree with religion in the same way you don’t need to agree with sugary drinks or polygamy. Don’t immediately jump from “this law protects people who are religious” to “maybe we shouldn’t worry so much if violence is incited against innocent people”
You’re ignoring the potential abuse it could be used for. Can I burn a dianetics book? Bible? Banning expression is almost always a bad thing.
What are you talking about? Are you lost? Banning expression is a requirement for stopping fascism.
Does this resolution actually mention Quran burning? The image doesn’t.
