What is the point of this community, if we can’t have a discussion? I’ve been really disappointed with the ML stance on this war, and am not even allowed to publicly discuss my opinion in any existing ML community without my comment getting deleted.
This Rule : “No support nor defence of Ukraine, NATO or Western Imperialism” just encourages an echo chamber.
Really getting discouraged comrades. Do better.
I am from Crimea and am pro-Ukraine and think that some facts here are being dismissed as ‘Western propaganda’. News are biased, but not everything is propaganda. I do not have any defense for NATO. But I do think Ukraine has a right to sovereignty.
So which leftist viewpoint upholds the concept of a capitalist state’s right to sovereignty?
Anarchists and MLs alike should support the people of Ukraine and Russia in resisting occupation by either state as both care not for their war dead and wounded but only for control of resources and power.
Btw I don’t think you should be banned for arguing this, it is important we critically listen to the ppl most directly affected by this, while being careful not to uncritically absorb ultranationalist or capitalist propaganda.
Ukraine lost its right to sovereignty with the 2014 Maidan coup d’etat. The leaked phone call between Victoria Nuland and Pyatt tells us this. Yanukovich was forced to flee, Porochenko was never elected.
the Maidan revolution was a good thing, im v confused what you mean, we stood up and overthrew our corrupt president and our country is very proud of this. This is what the Russian people need to do. Putin has served too many terms, nearly my whole life. I don’t know where you live, but I’m sure if someone said that your contry lost its right to sovereignty, you too would disagree.
What the actual fuck? Elected Yanukovich was forced to flee, whereas Porochenko was never elected… you prefer some unelected puppet?
I’m not sure you, as a non-Ukrainian, get to decide the sovereignty status of Ukrainians.
No, I have not decided it. Victoria Nuland decided it over a phone call from USA. She did it in 2014 with Pyatt.