It should come as no surprise that the lemmy.ml admin team took about 2 minutes to decide to pre-emptively block threats / Meta. Their transparent and opportunistic scheme to commodify the fediverse and it’s users will not be allowed to proceed.

We strongly encourage other instance administrators to do the same, given the grave threat they pose to the fediverse.

  • @justdoit@lemm.ee
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    1658 months ago

    Every time I see a picture of him I think it has to be edited or something. He’s like a walking Snapchat filter.

  • @Mikina@programming.dev
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    I would like to also add this argument into the discussion, since I’ve seen a lot of people who are voting for federating with meta, with the argument that defederating just because we don’t like someone goes against the idea of Fediverse, and interconnected network of diverse servers that is should inclusive and allows people to connect.

    It’s quite the contrary - allowing Meta in goes directly against the idea of Fediverse, and we should fight it as much as possible.

    This is a literal quote from the main header on https://www.fediverse.to/

    The fediverse is a collection of community-owned, ad-free, decentralised, and privacy-centric social networks.

    Each fediverse instance is managed by a human admin. You can find fediverse instances dedicated to art, music, technology, culture, or politics.

    Join the growing community and experience the web as it was meant to be.

    Judging by this main selling point of the Fediverse, it sounds to me like Meta shouldn’t be in the Fediverse do begin with, and every instance should defederate from them by default.

    • DessalinesOPA
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      o7. We’re out here for yall, and we’re gonna make sure the fediverse stays inoculated from threats.

      • @TheAnonymouseJoker
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        Thanks a lot, I was thinking of DMing about it. I am vocal about defederation of Big Tech instances, and any Big Tech elements (Cloudflare, CF/Google captchas). These must be isolated away from Fediverse at all costs.

        For people who read this, I must also tell that WhatsApp, FB Messenger, Zoom, iMessage… all of these “chat” platforms are made upon defederated XMPP. Google used to also maintain a XMPP federated service, and killed XMPP for mass adoption. This is what Western Big Tech does.

        • DessalinesOPA
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          It’s very strange to me that a lot of the pro-facebook views below seem to start with the base assumption that facebook is out to help the fediverse, and have no malicious motives behind all this. Its like inviting a con-man into your home because they super-promised they’ll make you rich.

          Really surprising that some people can’t see through Facebooks opportunism, and are suddenly willing to trust these con-artists.

          • @TheAnonymouseJoker
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            The lack of critical thought has done a number on society. Everyone wants bite sized convenient information to parrot around, instead of doing research and being vigilantes of society, as the former is lazy and easy to do. I try a lot, but the discourse gap has widened so much, that many people only bother to talk and listen when they are hurt by these tech giants and big brands.

            Last month, I did make a comment regarding defederating any Twitter/Facebook instances in Fediverse, and I surprisingly received some downvotes. People just do not realise the dangers of wanting growth at all costs. Preventing poisoning of roots is essential.

            • 🔻Sleepless One🔻
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              138 months ago

              The lack of critical thought has done a number on society.

              Likewise, society (disproportionately affected by the booj and those who serve them) reinforces this lack of critical thought. Someone in the genzedong Matrix server is in the process of translating one of Ho Chi Minh’s works into English and shared this relevant passage:

              The capitalists and imperialists use culture and religion to make the people dumb, use laws to bind the people, use power to scare the people, and use wealth to make the people selfish. They make the people frightened to the bone whenever they hear of the word Revolution. So, Revolution must first start with waking the people up.

              • @TheAnonymouseJoker
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                Every week that translation is exactly, word to word, what I think of atleast 2-3 times, in my free time. I can add to it, that it is also society factions (many groupthink tribes, mostly in Anglosphere) that help facilitate this, and not just wealth.

          • Marxine
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            I’d bet a lot of the so called “supporters” are astro-turfed accounts.

          • Red Wizard 🪄
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            It’s like they all have collective amnesia about the fact that Facebook was caught red handed giving children eating disorders… Just one of many of their crimes against the public.

          • @gogozero@lemmy.sdf.org
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            i doubt they have any malicious intent because the fediverse is nothing to them. they’ll use and improve activitypub, which is great, but eventually corporate strategy/shareholders will take them in a different direction and they’ll fork. damage will de done to the fediverse regardless, but there is no malicious intent involved.

            lets not federate and take their contributions to source, best of both worlds.

      • @Albinoss@lemmy.world
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        Same. I just wish there was an easy way to transfer. I just found the communities I wanted and I don’t look forward to making a new profile and adding them all again.

        • @Luxsidus
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          I already have an account ready to switch. It’s still early days so it should be relatively painless if it means sticking with the Lemmy instance that knows capital will only expand and ruin things in the pursuit of profit.

      • @nostalgicgamerz@lemmy.world
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        I’m thinking the same thing…they’re trying to avoid blowback by breaking the fedipact by just….saying nothing.

        I swear I’ll fucking leave if they don’t dederate with Meta

        • Colonel Sanders
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          I really REALLY hate to bring up Reddit since I know everyone is sick of hearing about it, but this is just like when Subreddits were determining whether or not to go dark and some of the more popular ones opted to just say or do nothing because they didn’t want to go against the grain.

          FFS I wish people would grow a pair and fight back.

      • Marxine
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        I am on lemmy.world, but the inaction of the admins there made me create an account here on .ml as soon as I saw one of the admins being basically as “naive” as Mastodon’s Rochko.

          • Marxine
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            108 months ago

            They’re open as it seems (since I got to register today), but the sign-up process requires you to answer a few basic questions to verify you’re not a bot or spam account.

              • Marxine
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                A couple of minutes, don’t know if I was lucky or not though. Remember to check your email if you provided it!

      • @JeffCraig@lemmy.world
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        I posed this question to the admins a while back. How does the community officially suggest instances to defederate. How do we vote on those choices? Where is the process?

        This was during the lemmy.online thing, where that instance (which no longer exists) created a bot to basic just crawl reddit and duplicate posts to their instance. I immediately told the instance admin that they should stop and I asked the admins where the process was to submit a de-federation request.

        All I got was a bunch of BS from users about how de-federation should be something we don’t take lightly, blah blah blah, but all I was asking was where the process is. How are we even partaking in a system that’s so ripe for admin abuse?

        The lemmy.world admins aren’t malicious… they’re just in over their heads. They’ve struggled with the technical side of running the service and they haven’t built out some of the social tools that an instance this side needs. Hopefully they mature quickly.

  • DAC Protogen
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    848 months ago

    I would say we need a vote if lemmy.world should do the same. I would be for blocking meta.

  • Sneezy McGlassface
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    828 months ago

    People left reddit because of corporate f*ckery, and some of them are now making excuses for meta?? What kind of mental gymnastics is this?

  • @samideano
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    the lemmy.ml admin team took about 2 minutes to decide to preemptively block threats / Meta

    The only sane approach to this “dilemma”. Thank you for keeping the instance free of “threats” (I see what you did there)

  • @Gsicht
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    Excellent. Big corporations go against the very idea of the fediverse.

  • 🔻Sleepless One🔻
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    578 months ago

    …the lemmy.ml admin team took about 2 minutes to decide to pre-emptively block threats / Meta.

    When the typo is more accurate than what was intended to be written.