I have been considering replacing my nearly 7 year old iPhone (although very reluctant) and I was checking for options. Really the only phone that caught my eye was the Sony xperia 1 V, but I found no information about how to degoogle and lock down the device. I really like the features and the built in camera apps, etc. Is there a way to degoogle the phone without loosing the funcionality/ease of use?

  • xep@fedia.io
    161·
    6 months ago

    De-googling inherently causes functionality loss on Android because Google provides a lot of basic services via things like the Google Services Framework. It might be best for you to buy something cheap (secondhand Pixel?), install LineageOS, and then see how you like that before committing to something costly like an Xperia, especially since you’re coming from iOS.

    • AstralPath@lemmy.ca
      15·
      6 months ago

      The only functionality I’ve lost after migrating to a Pixel with GrapheneOS is the Android Device Policy (aka Work Profiles, the spyware your employer requires to use certain work apps)

      Good riddance if you ask me lol

      • thayer@lemmy.caEnglish
        31·
        6 months ago

        Quite a lot of apps cease to provide real-time notifications/messages, if they work at all, when Google Play components are not installed under GOS. At the very least, Google Services Framework is required for many mainstream apps.

              • lemmyvore@feddit.nlEnglish
                1·
                6 months ago

                What is Sandboxed Play Services? I’ve searched for it but I seem to find contradictory information. Looks like a feature that needs to be added explicitly to a ROM by its devs? It seems to have originated with GrapheneOS but there’s no mainstream support, in LineageOS for example.

        • AstralPath@lemmy.ca
          3·
          6 months ago

          It just doesn’t allow you to use the Android Device Policy work profile which makes it so you can’t log into Slack for work (for example) if it depends on the work policy spyware being active on your phone.

          I get that for some people that’s a non-starter but for me who vehemently supports and exercises my Right To Disconnect, not having spyware on my phone for work is a good riddance.

    • LoghOP
      5·
      6 months ago

      Isn’t there maybe a way to keep the factory os and selectively disable google services. Sort of no-script style? Not too familiar with the android ecosystem tbh, other than google is on top of the food chain, haha.

      • mox@lemmy.sdf.org
        3·
        6 months ago

        In principle, one could probably do this to a rooted phone by removing all the Google apps, and all the Google services, and giving up the other apps and services that depend on them. It would be a nontrivial task, and the steps would likely be different for each phone model (and possibly each OS version). I don’t know of a project that does this successfully. You might try searching xdaforums.com for someone who has done it.

        However, I wouldn’t depend on Google services staying disabled when Google still controls the OS.

        IMHO, it’s safer and easier to replace the entire OS.

  • toastal
    13·
    6 months ago

    I have an Xperia 5 III.

    All the Sony Xperia phones consistently & eventually make it to LineageOS mainline (so LineageOS for microG support too), but these ROMs don’t tend to come until near then end of a device’s 2 year warranty. I would assume that this is when they get cheap/used enough that developers can get their hands on them. Sony provides all the tools to unlock so it isn’t difficult or locked behind some centralized server for unlock keys. However, the nice cameras the come with… well you need their proprietary app unfortunately or the camera becomes a plenty bad device with the default LineageOS software.

    On the plus side you get to support the only brand still shipping flagships with microSD, a headphone jack, and the ability to unlock bootloader (bonus the the 5s are <6" screens which is rough to find smaller phones now). Google Pixels won’t get you a headphone jack or microSD & Asus Zenfones don’t have unlockable bootloaders.

    • fiercekitten@lemm.eeEnglish
      2·
      6 months ago

      I have an xperia 1 iii running LineageOS w/microG and I was able to get and install the sony stock Photography Pro, Cinema Pro, and Videography Pro apps, however several features of these apps are missing, such as the ability to do panorama shots and other stuff.

      • toastal
        2·
        6 months ago

        Yup. That is the tradoff. I’m willing to accept that one.

  • technomad@slrpnk.netEnglish
    8·
    6 months ago

    You might check xda forums and see if it’s capable of flashing a custom ROM. Not sure how much functionality you might forfeit though

    • mox@lemmy.sdf.org
      11·
      6 months ago

      The Xperia phones are often horrendously locked down

      Not really, at least when compared to most other brands. I’ve had three or four different Xperia models, and unlocked the bootloader on every one of them using official Sony tools. They even have official open-source software archives, which are very helpful to people who build de-googled “ROMs”.

      The one thing that has been especially locked down is the TA partition, which contains DRM keys used for Sony’s proprietary apps. It’s not needed for an open-source OS like LineageOS.

      For this phone specifically, it looks like official LineageOS support is already underway, despite it being a fairly new model:

      https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/pdx234/

      I would definitely recommend a Pixel device if you’re going to go De-Googling.

      Pixels do have unusually good support for user-installed OS, but the irony here is that you can’t truly de-google them, because no OS will change the fact that Google controls the hardware and firmware.

    • youmaynotknow
      6·
      6 months ago

      This is the best suggestion for this purpose. Check out degoogled ROMs like e/os/, Divest, Graphene, Calyx, etc. Find which one better fits what you want, and then get a device that is 100% supported by that ROM.

      • sic_semper_tyrannis@lemmy.todayEnglish
        3·
        6 months ago

        To add to this I’d also pay attention to the Android version that the OS is based on. Last I checked e/OS is a few versions outdated. GrapheneOS works very very well, you (OP) just have to understand how to set it up for your use case.

        • youmaynotknow
          3·
          6 months ago

          Gotta love this community. So many people, most trying to smooth the road for newcomers.

  • simonmicro@programming.dev
    5·
    6 months ago

    Google for Sony Open Devices. AOSP, but running on Sony devices. While I prefer LOS, SODP is always the beginning to port it from.

      • Lemongrab@lemmy.one
        2·
        6 months ago

        Yeah, any security focused android ROM won’t include root because it breaks the android security model. Breaks the ability to have secureboot and system safety checks by apps.

    • averyminya@beehaw.org
      5·
      6 months ago

      I really dislike this trend of suggesting people to buy Google phones specifically to de-Google them. Like, shouldn’t we be avoiding giving them sales?

      I get it, the phones are decent. I just think it’s kind of counter-intuitive.

  • meseek #2982@lemmy.ca
    17·
    6 months ago

    Isn’t Sony far worse than Google in locking you into their platform and basically stealing your data? They gutted Helldivers and thru all their players under the bus by adding a PSN account requirement retroactively, even in countries that didn’t have the service. They only backpedaled because of the massive negative backlash. They have a history of installing root kits and treating their customers like absolute trash. And you want to go with them?? Yikes.

    You are way better off getting a Pixel and then liberating it with Graphene.

    • piracysails@lemm.ee
      121·
      6 months ago

      I think you are confusing phones, PCs, consoles and music.

      Sony phones are by no means worse than stock google phones. They offer very close to stock experience.

      *Send from my pixel with Graphene