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    So far every website owner I’ve had issues with has been a billionaire capitalist, I’ll give the communists a shot.

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      and… lemmy.ml is just one instance in a lemmyverse of thousands.

      as has been pointed out, monthly commits to the software lemmy development repository are now primarily new contributors who likely have nothing to do with the original developers. lemmy hits the metrics for a healthy FLOSS software project because both lemmy (the instance software) and lemmy (the network) are much, much bigger than any one person or group of people.

      lemmy (as a free, libre and open network) is progressing pretty damn well, I think.

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        Fun fact: “FLOSS software” means Free, Libre, and Open Software Software software. FLOSS software is sometimes abbreviated to FLOSSS software, which means Free, Libre, and Open Software Software Software software. Now, I am lying. But still, isn’t that a fun fact?

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          DOH! facepalm

          my only defence is me trying to differentiate from FLOS “software firmware” (which, you know… is like… totally different, right?)… yeah! thats it! i’ll go with that!

          shall we finalize on “Free/Libre Open Source Software” then? thanks for the poke to reengage brain, internet friend.

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    If your point is that they’re pro-CCP, you’ll probably get your point across better by calling them “tankies” than “communists.” I identify as a communist, but I’d be first in line to say “fuck tankies.”

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        Stalin and Mao were good actually, the CCP has never done a bad thing ever, and Russia should roll over Europe with their invincible tanks, because the west is bad, therefore anyone who disagrees with the west is flawless.

        That may be an uncharitable exaggeration, but surprisingly not by very much.

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        Originally, a “tankie” was a Stalin apologist, but in more modern times, it’s come to mean just authoritarian communist. I don’t think it’s a self-applied term. More a derisive term used by anti-authoritarian leftists.

        The anti-authoritarian communists tend to call themsleves anarchists, anarcho-communists, anarcho-syndicalists, left libertarians, etc. And they’d strongly tend not to have anything good to say about Stalin, Mao, or the CCP.

        (There are right-wingers who call themselves “anarchists” or “anarcho-capitalists” or “voluntarists” or “minarchists” or “Libertarians” (note the capital “L”) or whatever, but they have pretty much nothing to do with the hard-left-wing anarchist movement that they appropriated the terms “anarchist” and “libertarian” from.)

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        The term seems to have originated within British communist groups in the post-war era, when “the tanks” were sent in to crush dissent in Czechoslovakia and Hungary. Thus, the “communists” supporting the CCCP party line were called “tankies” by the communists who opposed it. From there, it came to evolve into calling out “authoritarian communists”, although that term alone is super vague and not always useful. As with any insult, review the context of where it is used and by whom against whom.

        But yeah, the kind of self-proclaimed “communists” who haven’t read Marx beyond maybe the manifesto, wish they could just follow (or lead) a religious cult instead, but also want to look materialist and think communism is all about “anything that opposes the West is good”, that’s what usually falls under the “tankie” umbrella.

        As for the lemmy devs/lemmy.ml admins, I can’t say what exactly their views are, there might be some pretty bad stuff with their stances on Chinese policies, didn’t look into it - but the server is from my experience a good general instance, userbase probably relatively left-leaning, but definitely not manipulated or with an agenda forced on them. And beyond that, they very clearly and authentically stated, that their commitment to making lemmy open source is set in stone, so if anyone disagrees, they can always create their own bubbles if they can’t live with them.

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        you get to pick. round up people and reeducate them after they’ve bombed shit for years, or, kill hundreds of thousands after they blow up two towers.

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    I’ve lived in a communist country before. It’s not really an issue for me.

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      Do you believe in “removing” people who are “unfit for society” or the execution of enemy’s of the state (ei journalists)

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          You need a authoritarian oppression and mass propaganda to keep communism in line. Farms will fall to product enough food and you need to hide the reason for the failure from the people

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        Communism is not eugenics. I also would love to see who specifically you are saying was executed. Just calling someone a journalist doesn’t automatically mean they are good people who do good things. Be specific if you’re going to make an argument.

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            You seem to have no idea what communism is. You’re just spouting classic anti-communist propaganda. I’d recommend doing some unbiased research.

            Meanwhile, I’m happy to support the communists who give us a platform the users are in charge of, instead of a capitalist who earns money off the back of free labor from it’s users

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            Do you have any specific examples of this you want to reference, any specific states that you’re talking about when you say “they” ?

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    This seems to be a particularly American concern, presumably dating back to the McCarthy era. Tye real question is: are they Tankies?

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    Sometimes the best tech people are weird as hell. This might be one of those cases.

    Although I did hear that they censor content critical of china, which sucks.

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      I saw this rumor spread quickly and I want to check it out by myself. Is there any reference you could share?

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        This was shared shortly before the first Reddit wave: https://lemmy.world/comment/43639

        One of the things I appreciate about them is their openness with people who disagree. In that very thread one of the comments by a dev and admin on lemmy.ml: “If you would have left those posts stay on your instance, that’s fine! We’re not demanding that you moderate according to our standards.”

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          Thank you, that was a very informative read.
          I’ll wait and see how this topic unravels in the future. Wishing the devs will state more firmly their position.

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      censor content critical of China

      This is exactly my point. China is authoritarian and has commited war crimes against people who it doesnt’t like. It also arrests journalists as enemies of the state.

      I’m not saying the west is completely perfect but China is much worse

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        Anti-authoritarian communism is a thing. I think mostly the issue folks here in this thread are taking with you is equating communism with authoritarianism. And I don’t think anyone in this thread is pro-China or defending censoring content critical of China. Quite the opposite in fact.

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          But communism doesn’t work. All countries that implement communism have restrictions on free speech to hide the fact that it is a broken system.

          The reason communism doesn’t work is because people have no incentives to work. You can complain about the evils of the corporate empires but they at least have a motivation to improve even if that is sometimes at the expense of the people

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            Let me just jump in real quick and provide some info without supporting any side. You’re referring to the authoritarian communism, and yes, none of it worked, and again yes, it’s the only one that really happened in our history.

            What you’re missing is that the other person is referring to the lower left quadrant of the political compass, or libertarian socialist quadrant. And no, libertarian is referring here to the lack of or very week and non focused (with a lot of people in it) government.

            For a great breakdown of the political compass I recommend Wendigoon’s video on the topic. That’s all I’m gonna say here, have a pleasant day and a good watch if you do decide to click on that link.

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            Communism is literally labour politics. If you don’t work, you probably don’t belong to the labour group. Usually because you’re a capitalist and you won a lottery (figuratively speaking) so you can have others working for you while you’re taking millions from their labour.

            “From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs” is the literal slogan of communism. It references the working class and equity. No one’s getting anything for free under communism. There is still an economy in place. Getting things for free only applies to capitalist or if you live in a socialist world with star trek replicators.

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            Communism is literally labour politics. If you don’t work, you probably don’t belong to the labour group. Usually because you’re a capitalist and you won a lottery (figuratively speaking) so you can have others working for you while you’re taking millions from their labour.

            “From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs” is the literal slogan of communism. It references the working class and equity. No one’s getting anything for free under communism. There is still an economy in place. Getting things for free only applies to capitalist or if you live in a socialist world with star trek replicators.

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        then dont use lemmy.ml - it really is that simple. you have hundreds of lemmy instances to choose from - find one that that suits your needs (or, hell… run your own) and you are golden.

        edit: word

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    This meme, again?!
    I do not understand the argument. Are you implying that being communist automatically pins you in the pro CCP?
    My country is socialist. My family is socialist. All my friends are socialists. I love socialism.
    By following the same logic, does that mean that I am considered a Nazis lover?

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      No but many of the lemmy.ml founders embrace communism without evening considering how many people have been killed under that banner.

      When I first heard about the communism I assumed that the were just far left socialists. It turns out they straight up worship communist leader

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        What banner? Are you under the impression that communism is some kind of monolith? If you’re referring to the soviet union say that, or China, or whoever else you’re specifically accusing of mass murder. The term communism refers to hundreds of different political ideologies and many different countries. Many of whom have next to nothing to do with each other.

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        More have died, and still do, every day, under Capitalism.

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        I mean, if you were to add up all the deaths that have happened under capitalism - the wars started by capitalist nations, colonialism, people who have died because they couldn’t afford healthcare, people killed in disasters caused by unregulated corporations and so on - would the numbers look any better?

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    Also water is wet. The devs’ political views are not important to me, the software they make is more important. “Separate the art from the artist.”

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      True they start telling you how China is doing wonders for its people.

      I disagree politicly with many people on reddit. I don’t care if you disagree but it does bother me when they are following a dead idolology.

      I also don’t like lemmy.ml being as big as it is. We need to seperate the power of development from the power of administration

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    And? Are you concerned they’re going to break into your house and depose the bourgeoisie because you followed a community on their instance?

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      Yeah. I don’t understand this. Lemmy is an open source software and there are many instances to use. Hell, lemmy.ml is even pushing people away from their instance - that doesn’t sound like people promoting lemmy to advance their ideology.

      Don’t agree with the devs’ POV, use a different instance. I’m not socialist/communist and I’m perfectly fine using lemmy. I’ve talked to the devs and they’ve been nice and polite, and I haven’t really encountered any lemmy.ml content trying to poison my mind. Lol. We even stayed on reddit even after fucking jailbait, the Donald, etc. fiasco.

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    you’re saying that as if it’s a bad thing! especially as long as they just develop and stay out of pushing certain content, then I couldn’t care less. now if they were tankies on the other hand, that I would mind!

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      This. It’s one things to disagree politically. It’s another to think violence is an acceptable means of conveying that belief.

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      Their memes community is now full of post about how it’s ok to kill capitalists and other hatefull bullshit and no admin seems to care. Also their comics community is now just spam of extremly hateful comics from one of the admins.

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      That’s a problem because communism is dangerous and destructive due to its dark patterns. Its the same thing as Nazism.

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        funny how all you have talked about is how it has killed millions and how its the same as Nazism, could you provide a source? the killing billions part is a common anti-communist West propoganda that has been debunked

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    Good. We need more communists representing their ideas in open forums. I’d be more concerned if they were capitalists. That’s just Reddit 2.0.

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    So are the devs. Actually, they’re the same people. And you wanna know something else, they also run lemmygrad.

    So how is this relevant at all, I fail to see.