This is exactly my point. China is authoritarian and has commited war crimes against people who it doesnt’t like. It also arrests journalists as enemies of the state.
I’m not saying the west is completely perfect but China is much worse
Anti-authoritarian communism is a thing. I think mostly the issue folks here in this thread are taking with you is equating communism with authoritarianism. And I don’t think anyone in this thread is pro-China or defending censoring content critical of China. Quite the opposite in fact.
But communism doesn’t work. All countries that implement communism have restrictions on free speech to hide the fact that it is a broken system.
The reason communism doesn’t work is because people have no incentives to work. You can complain about the evils of the corporate empires but they at least have a motivation to improve even if that is sometimes at the expense of the people
Communism is literally labour politics. If you don’t work, you probably don’t belong to the labour group. Usually because you’re a capitalist and you won a lottery (figuratively speaking) so you can have others working for you while you’re taking millions from their labour.
“From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs” is the literal slogan of communism. It references the working class and equity. No one’s getting anything for free under communism. There is still an economy in place. Getting things for free only applies to capitalist or if you live in a socialist world with star trek replicators.
Let me just jump in real quick and provide some info without supporting any side.
You’re referring to the authoritarian communism, and yes, none of it worked, and again yes, it’s the only one that really happened in our history.
What you’re missing is that the other person is referring to the lower left quadrant of the political compass, or libertarian socialist quadrant. And no, libertarian is referring here to the lack of or very week and non focused (with a lot of people in it) government.
For a great breakdown of the political compass I recommend Wendigoon’s video on the topic.
That’s all I’m gonna say here, have a pleasant day and a good watch if you do decide to click on that link.
Communism is literally labour politics. If you don’t work, you probably don’t belong to the labour group. Usually because you’re a capitalist and you won a lottery (figuratively speaking) so you can have others working for you while you’re taking millions from their labour.
“From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs” is the literal slogan of communism. It references the working class and equity. No one’s getting anything for free under communism. There is still an economy in place. Getting things for free only applies to capitalist or if you live in a socialist world with star trek replicators.
then dont use lemmy.ml - it really is that simple. you have hundreds of lemmy instances to choose from - find one that that suits your needs (or, hell… run your own) and you are golden.
This is exactly my point. China is authoritarian and has commited war crimes against people who it doesnt’t like. It also arrests journalists as enemies of the state.
I’m not saying the west is completely perfect but China is much worse
Anti-authoritarian communism is a thing. I think mostly the issue folks here in this thread are taking with you is equating communism with authoritarianism. And I don’t think anyone in this thread is pro-China or defending censoring content critical of China. Quite the opposite in fact.
But communism doesn’t work. All countries that implement communism have restrictions on free speech to hide the fact that it is a broken system.
The reason communism doesn’t work is because people have no incentives to work. You can complain about the evils of the corporate empires but they at least have a motivation to improve even if that is sometimes at the expense of the people
Communism is literally labour politics. If you don’t work, you probably don’t belong to the labour group. Usually because you’re a capitalist and you won a lottery (figuratively speaking) so you can have others working for you while you’re taking millions from their labour.
“From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs” is the literal slogan of communism. It references the working class and equity. No one’s getting anything for free under communism. There is still an economy in place. Getting things for free only applies to capitalist or if you live in a socialist world with star trek replicators.
Let me just jump in real quick and provide some info without supporting any side. You’re referring to the authoritarian communism, and yes, none of it worked, and again yes, it’s the only one that really happened in our history.
What you’re missing is that the other person is referring to the lower left quadrant of the political compass, or libertarian socialist quadrant. And no, libertarian is referring here to the lack of or very week and non focused (with a lot of people in it) government.
For a great breakdown of the political compass I recommend Wendigoon’s video on the topic. That’s all I’m gonna say here, have a pleasant day and a good watch if you do decide to click on that link.
Communism is literally labour politics. If you don’t work, you probably don’t belong to the labour group. Usually because you’re a capitalist and you won a lottery (figuratively speaking) so you can have others working for you while you’re taking millions from their labour.
“From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs” is the literal slogan of communism. It references the working class and equity. No one’s getting anything for free under communism. There is still an economy in place. Getting things for free only applies to capitalist or if you live in a socialist world with star trek replicators.
then dont use lemmy.ml - it really is that simple. you have hundreds of lemmy instances to choose from - find one that that suits your needs (or, hell… run your own) and you are golden.
edit: word