Toward the end of 2021, according to a senior European official, Putin was weighing whether to launch his full-scale invasion when he met with the head of one of Russia’s main spy services, who told him that the CIA, together with Britain’s MI6, were controlling Ukraine and turning it into a beachhead for operations against Moscow.
But the Times investigation found that Putin and his advisers misread a critical dynamic. The CIA didn’t push its way into Ukraine. U.S. officials were often reluctant to fully engage, fearing that Ukrainian officials could not be trusted, and worrying about provoking the Kremlin.
Yet a tight circle of Ukrainian intelligence officials assiduously courted the CIA and gradually made themselves vital to the Americans.
The imperial frontier state drew us in! We didn’t want to control them, they asked us to!
Man this article has a lot of great stuff.
The agency agreed to help the HUR [Ukrainian military intelligence] modernize, and to improve its ability to intercept Russian military communications. In exchange, Kondratiuk agreed to share all of the raw intelligence with the Americans.
how are you not just literally a branch office of the CIA at that point
CIA officers installed equipment at the bases to help gather intelligence and also identified some of the most skilled Ukrainian graduates of the Operation Goldfish program, working with them to approach potential Russian sources. These graduates then trained sleeper agents on Ukrainian territory meant to launch guerrilla operations in case of occupation.
Arming, training, and funding ultranationalist terrorists? Nooooo noooo you have it all wrong, these are simple staybehind operations in case of occupation. They are made of peaceful freedom-loving people who are also willing to risk being tortured to death if given the chance to kill random russians. Moderate rebels, you could say.
HUR
Damn even their acronyms sound German
It literally means removed in german slang
“full-scale”
I mean, ignoring my wall o’ links that just sounds like Russian propaganda.
- The U.S. Did Not Defeat Fascism in WWII, It Discretely Internationalized It
- History of Fascism in Ukraine Part III: 1944-1963 UPA War, Ratlines, and the Assassination of Stepan Bandera
- History of Fascism in Ukraine Part IV: The Global OUN Network in Exile, 1962-1992
- BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
- Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
- Truthout, 2015: The Ukraine Mess That Nuland Made
- The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
- The Guardian, 2017: ‘I want to bring up a warrior’: Ukraine’s far-right children’s camp – video
- WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
- Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
- The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
- The Conversation, 2022: Ukraine war follows decades of warnings that NATO expansion into Eastern Europe could provoke Russia
Obviously these were Russian influence agents hard at work. /s
Nuking an article about the CIA has the opposite effect of silencing it lol
“Mr CIA, have you heard of the Streisand Effect?”
lol yeah the Streisand effect at work
Ukraine really was like “America fucked over all those other countries, but that won’t happen to us!”
America fucked not only others but even Ukraine itself not even decade before when they pushed the “Orange Revelution” which installed the hypercorrupted Yuschchenko clique, which proceeded to strangle country with austerity and also caused economic conflict with Russia which ended very bad for Ukraine.
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And in a few years he’ll publish a bestselling autobiography and get a touring lecture gig
Almost as if compradors never care about the countries they rob. Almost as if capital has no nationality
Didn’t some famous nazi say like 10 years ago that there was CIA involvement in their org?
CIA involvement with Nazis predates the CIA itself.
operation aerodynamic never really ended
Edit: just realized I don’t know how to pin….awkward
Thanks washedanus for finding an archive. Pinning this since the post link was removed.
The original NYT article is purtier.
- https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/world/europe/cia-ukraine-intelligence-russia-war.html
- Original: http://archive.today/2024.02.26-085845/https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/world/europe/cia-ukraine-intelligence-russia-war.html
- Updated: http://archive.today/2024.03.31-071212/https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/world/europe/cia-ukraine-intelligence-russia-war.html
Nice!
Link is broken
@yogthos@lemmygrad.ml, I found an archive link, if you want to replace it.
ah perfect, upated
This is like, the Platonic ideal of a limited hangout
That link just goes to yahoo news not the article
Maybe the article got taken down? It has a 404 redirect kinda thing
Yeah, looks like Yahoo took it down.
Now entering the third year of a war that has claimed hundreds of thousands of lives
what the fuck lmfao no it has not, not even close, what the actual hell NYT? Natopedia has it at 15k deaths on the outside https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War
1 casualty = 1 death. There were no injuries or prisoners.
Weird timing for a 2 month old article to be taken down on a saturday night just after it was posted here. Not to say hexbear or lemmygrad really matter in the grand scheme of things - i wonder if this article has been popping up in other places though?
Thanks! I’ll pin that archive link in a top level so people can easily find it.
