My subrsiption with surfshark is ending soon and I was wondering if there was something better around the same price. There are a lot of ads about many VPNs but a lot of them don’t look so “safe and private” as they want you to think so it’s hard to really figure it out. I don’t want to spend too much since I don’t use them very often but I kinda like the “change catalog of netflix” thing and to be safe while doing some “”“”“”“shady”“”“”" stuff
Have been with Mullvad for a long time and it’s cheap but super secure and privacy focused which I love. However the recent drop of port forwarding impacts private trackers so I am on the lookout for an alternative.
I have signed up to ivpn and so far ok. Speeds don’t appear as good maybe but port forwarding works and it works with gluetun.
I am tempted by proton as I want to move from gmail and I’m always using their free tier. But haven’t come to terms with paying for email yet lol.
Have been with Mullvad for a long time and it’s cheap but super secure and privacy focused which I love. However the recent drop of port forwarding impacts private trackers so I am on the lookout for an alternative.
I have signed up to ivpn and so far ok. Speeds don’t appear as good maybe but port forwarding works and it works with gluetun.
I am tempted by proton as I want to move from gmail and I’m always using their free tier. But haven’t come to terms with paying for email yet lol.
MullvadVPN is great. It’s a no-bullshit VPN.
Another vote for Mullvad. You can pay by cash, vouchers (in some countries) or Monero for total privacy.
I wonder how many chickens it would take to mail them for a month of service
I believe it does have an issue surrounding their disabling port forwarding, which becomes problematic if you try to torrent, or so I understood.
They are A+ on privacy and transparency, that being said.
They have recently removed support for port forwarding. That won’t stop a user being able to torrent but it will stop seeding and will affect discoverability and speed somewhat.
Has no negative impact on their privacy features
Thanks for the correction and adding more information! I’ve considered using it, hence my quick search and vague information about it.
Not being able to seed is a bit of a deal-breaker for me, but that’ll depend from one person to the other.
A lot of people feel the same re:seeding and it is unfortunate but from reading their blog post about it, it was getting massively abused. Over on r/mullvadvpn someone stated there were a few people using it to serve CASM which makes their decision to remove the feature totally understandable.
Yep, Mullvad is the one. No fishy pricing structure, transparency, and they don’t force you to use their apps like other VPN providers. So if you want to route a docker container or network appliance through it you can just download the config files and away you go. So many VPN providers used to let you do this but then stopped so you have to use their apps (and we should be asking why they want you to use their apps, because the answer is usually control and data).
When I went on a torrenting spree, I trusted Mullvad enough to pay with my real name PayPal account.
Yeah, I love mullvad. I don’t use my VPN every month, so the low monthly cost, and the privacy friendly purchase methods, are big pluses.
I use Proton. May be a bit overkill for what you’re looking for if you want just a VPN - Proton includes email, a calendar, and cloud storage - all encrypted. Their VPN client supports port forwarding and split tunneling. They categorize their servers to show which are best for torrenting and/or streaming. Some of their servers also serve as end points for the TOR network.
This right here.
Pricing is right. Privacy is paramount. Performance is great.
I use the free tier of Proton VPN primarily for travel. Probably the only free VPN I trust, but there is a paid version for faster speeds and more features.
With VPNS i usually vouch for two services: Mullvad and Proton.
Mullvad is a no-bullshit VPN as described before, it just works and it’s cheap as hell. It’ll let you do your netflix hopping, but for any skullduggery I believe they’re killing their port forwarding, so I wouldn’t really recommend it for that front. You’d be better off subscribing to a usenet index for that and then using mullvad on the side instead of ARRing.
Proton is amazing but only truly worth it if you’re using the suite-- Emails, drive, VPN, the whole 9 yards. It’s a bit costly but no one does it like them. They also have a solid free tier for the VPN if you’d like to try them. And they do port forwarding (as of this comment).
Haven’t tried expressVPN but I’ve heard lots of good things about their audits. I’d feel comfortable with them but I can’t give any pointers.
TL:DR: Mullvad for simplicity and price, Proton for features & using their Suite, something like Express for something that just does VPN and nothing else.
I steer clear of Nord & Surfshark for personal reasons. VPNS that do too much sponsor marketing outside of network/privacy communities strike me as suspicious IMO.
Yup I got the whole Proton suit mainly for email and calendar, but use the rest too for specific use-cases.
I also like that Proton has a few VPN servers with adblocker and tracking blocking built in, so you can use the default DNS and have the same settings as other users which helps with avoiding fingerprinting while still having an easy system wide adblocker and tracking blocker.
Yeah, the in-built blocking is amazing for a fire and forget kind of deal. I’d still rather block my network traffic myself, but when I’m on the go and don’t have control over what network I’m in (or really, what’s on my device) this is the way to go.
Yeah I use this function mainly on portable devices. At home just block it network wide.
I use Mullvad. Have been for years and love it. It’s on my deluge container and I download everything through that.
Really? Well hell, hats off to them. If their P2P networks don’t mind the load then I’m not about to put them down to it. Old Mullvad as reliable as always.
I do wonder how it’s gonna go from now on though. Every VPN I’ve used so far has basically begged for any ARRing to be done through port forwarding especially on US servers. Guess it’s gonna be a hot button issue as VPNs and Gov. regulations play tug war in the following years.
Been using Mullvad for a while now. Imo one of the best VPNs I’ve had.
Speeds are good and a simple UI for everything.
I have used ProtonVPN and ProtonMail for years now and I absolutely love their service.
I had a few different ones (Surfshark, Mullvad, Vypr), but in the end I just really liked Proton the most. It is not the cheapest, but the UI of their software is easy, I can use it on all my devices (including fire stick), it works well with streaming services like Netflix and I recently upgraded to pay 2€ more per month and now I got a cloud drive of 500GB, some mail adresses and other stuff on top. I can recommend it because for me it just works flawlessly and the speed is good.
Proton with windscribe, riseup VPN and calyx VPN as backups
I use private internet access. Say what you want about them, they are one of the few that have proven in court that the do not keeps logs.
I left PIA after they were aquired by Kape (formerly Crossrider). There’s a lot of shady past there, from their ties to Israeli surveillance and intelligence organization (Unit 8200) to their history of producing malware. It just made me uncomfortable, so I moved to ProtonVPN and have been very happy there.
https://restoreprivacy.com/private-internet-access-kape-crossrider/
ExpressVPN has been audited many times, and their servers are entirely based on RAM disks that get wiped as soon as your session ends. So I’d say they are a good choice, if you’re willing to pay.
Been using the proton ecosystem for a while. I trust their policies as much as anyone can and have been using their VPN for about two years, Always on for my PC and phone.
Same, except I also use their VPN on router as well; everything on the “safer” size of the DMZ gets VPNed.
I’m currently using PIA, as out of the ones I tried that claimed to support split tunneling, none of them did. (Though others here report that it works in Proton).
If your service works with Wireguard, you can use the first-party Wireguard client instead of the VPN clients. iOS may be an exception, I’m not sure.
Used to use Mullvad but since their port forwarding fiasco I need to switch.
(I get that they had people abusing that system, but as a privacy based service they should expect the same pitfalls as every other privacy based service, like Tor, Matrix, etc. All you can really do is keep whacking the mole, or shut it down for everyone incl. the people using it for it’s intended purpose too whom you had advertised port forwarding to, who wouldn’t have bought your service if it didn’t have port forwarding to begin with.)
So now I’m looking at IVPN or Proton. Does anyone have experience with IVPN or know how trustworthy they are? I’m wary on Proton after Protonmail gave that French activist’s IP to their Feds, and they have a free tier which usually on a VPN means they sell your data, but afaik they are the only two that’ll let me PF and I have a need, a need to seed.
IIRC free tier on ProtonVPN blocks whatever peer to peer traffic they can detect.
I wouldn’t worry about privacy within the contents of the VPN though, as a lot of their services do require money so they should have quite a lot of funding through the paying users (like me.)
They do what they can to promote as much privacy as possible, but email really doesn’t lend itself well to that just in general. I would always suggest accessing any clearnet site through a VPN or Tor if you do sensitive work online.
I bet it does, I’ll be paying whoever I go with anyway, but the just the existence of the free tier has me wary due to how every single other free VPN works. It may be that this one subsidizes the free tier with the paid or treats it as a loss leader, but “free VPN” is always sketchy without knowing that for sure, which I do not.
Regardless of monetary incentive or lack thereof, privacy remains a concern. If I were not concerned about privacy, why even use a VPN? Unfortunately, torrenting harms the Tor network, so it is not really a good alternative either.
Email isn’t private, sure, but that doesn’t mean that your email provider needs to snitch on you to the Feds either. I’m not wary of proton because “email isn’t private,” I’m wary of proton because “they directly complied with law enforcement’s request to turn in an activist.” Not that I want that in an email provider itself but I have a VPN. However, if they’re also my VPN provider then they have my real IP. Rn, proton only has me from Mullvad and farther back from Nord, they don’t know my IP to turn me in, but if I buy their VPN service, that changes, then they know everything.
Honestly I might just look into hosting myself a VPN on a VPS.
Afaik Proton only logs stuff and gives that to the feds if and after they get a coord order from the Swiss juristiction, in which case any provider would have to do that or they’ll be the one taken offline with criminal charges instead. I recall Proton even being quite firm in requiring that order before doing so.
So basically, don’t do criminal stuff and you’ll be fine. Or at least, don’t rely soley on a VPN to hide your criminal stuff 🙃.
As far as the free tiers of their services, they have the same policies but are much more limited. Pretty sure they just pay them from paying users, and use them in hope people trying it become paying users. While it’s good to be wary of any free service, especially but not limited to VPNs, I don’t think Proton specifically is an issue.
Personally, I’ll also be wary for anything that’s promoting a lot trough influencers and social media btw. Similar to free services, it’s often a sign they’re not that trustworthy and upstanding.
VPNs are for “illegal stuff.” Namely piracy. That and monotoring of your digital things can be done in connection with real world “crimes” like drug use or activism, see: that aforementioned French activist. :upsidedownface:
That may be, but the only confirmation I have of this is your assumption, which is hardly confirmation at all, unless you own Proton.
True, though word of mouth has to come from somewhere, and I’d rather trust a guy with a legit article (hopefully one that says “IVPN servers raided, nothing found”) than “GeekFeed’s top 10 ‘no log’ VPNs 2023 1. Nord 2. ExpressVPN ad that looks like it’ll give me CyberGonorrhea 3. Proton…” Those podcast ad VPNs may be fine to trust for a shaver or some undies but I’m not using my VPN to watch Japanese Netflix, I’m sharing copywritten material in a country that frowns upon such actions.
You may just luck into the sale though, because they may be the one I trust most out of my 2-3 whole options all said and done. I’ll make sure to pass on your u-name so you get commission if I do. Like I said though I may just go VPS once I really look into all that, I’m sick of these companies’ bullshit.
A VPN service isn’t for illegal stuff. It can be used that way but for me its usefulness is in providing a layer of privacy between me, my ISP and online services I use.
Right, same, it’s just that those online services happen to have copywritten material shared for free illegally.
No, VPNs aren’t for piracy, or criminal stuff. They technically aren’t even for hiding your real IP. They are for connecting devices over the public network while mimicing the security of a private one, something useful for companies who need to work remotely and some other similar use-cases. It’s usage for criminal stuff, getting around region locks, and all that stuff isn’t it’s intended purpose, but secondary purposes it turned out useful for due to the side-effects.
The fact you use a third party instead of setting up a VPN server yourself like you’d do with it’s intended purpose, means that you are giving all your internet traffic to that third party. That in and of itself already creates an extra weakness. And if you do use your own server, then that server might be traceable to you instead.
Even when using a VPN for privacy, to hide your identity on the web, that doesn’t mean you use it for criminal activities. Wanting privacy and secure systems isn’t neccesarily linked to participating in criminal activities. People who use a VPN just for privacy, are well off with a provider that doesn’t log unless a coord order is received.
People who focus on criminal activities. To be honest trusting on a VPN alone to keep you save from law enforcement is just stupid. There are too many weaknesses related to VPNs that could easily give you away if they really want to find you, even outside of the provider. They simply aren’t made for that, and not as bullet proof as people think. While they are very useful for privacy usage and many of it’s risks can be mitigated, it takes more than turn it on and you’ll be private. Trusting that a VPN alone will keep you safe is foolish in todays age.
As for Proton not logging until they’ve got a court order. You don’t have to assume it from me, a quick online search shows the policies at Proton as well as results of how they handled earlier court cases. Cases where authorities wanted earlier data and Proton couldn’t comply because they didn’t have it, and cases where they logged data they refused to do so until thry received a court order. I say results to legal cases are the best proof there is. I’d take actual trackrecord over any article, no matter what “legit guy” wrote it. Also, I’ve never said a thing about those sketchy top10 lists thingies, they’re as bad and untrustworthy as influencer sponsorships imho. I would trust neither.
I’m not affiliated with Proton, so I have no clue what you’re talking about regarding that sale paragraph…
No, VPNs aren’t for piracy, or criminal stuff. They technically aren’t even for hiding your real IP. They are for connecting devices over the public network while mimicing the security of a private one, something useful for companies who need to work remotely and some other similar use-cases. It’s usage for criminal stuff, getting around region locks, and all that stuff isn’t it’s intended purpose, but secondary purposes it turned out useful for due to the side-effects
Technically it is “for” whatever I decide to use it for.
The fact you use a third party instead of setting up a VPN server yourself like you’d do with it’s intended purpose, means that you are giving all your internet traffic to that third party. That in and of itself already creates an extra weakness. And if you do use your own server, then that server might be traceable to you instead.
Yep.
Even when using a VPN for privacy, to hide your identity on the web, that doesn’t mean you use it for criminal activities. Wanting privacy and secure systems isn’t neccesarily linked to participating in criminal activities. People who use a VPN just for privacy, are well off with a provider that doesn’t log unless a coord order is received.
Depends, do those people do anything illegal ever? Protip: the answer is yes if they’re US, we have so many laws on the books by design so that nobody is “innocent” and they can find something to pin on you. Sure they may not find anything on your online activity but I still want them to find as little as possible if they decide to look because I buy weed from a guy they’re surveilling or something.
People who focus on criminal activities. To be honest trusting on a VPN alone to keep you save from law enforcement is just stupid. There are too many weaknesses related to VPNs that could easily give you away if they really want to find you, even outside of the provider. They simply aren’t made for that, and not as bullet proof as people think. While they are very useful for privacy usage and many of it’s risks can be mitigated, it takes more than turn it on and you’ll be private. Trusting that a VPN alone will keep you safe is foolish in todays age.
Yes yes, become Ted Kaczinsky and reject technology. Some of us pirate stuff dude, sorry, and everyone in the swarm doesn’t need my real IP.
As for Proton not logging until they’ve got a court order. You don’t have to assume it from me, a quick online search shows the policies at Proton as well as results of how they handled earlier court cases. Cases where authorities wanted earlier data and Proton couldn’t comply because they didn’t have it, and cases where they logged data they refused to do so until thry received a court order. I say results to legal cases are the best proof there is. I’d take actual trackrecord over any article, no matter what “legit guy” wrote it. Also, I’ve never said a thing about those sketchy top10 lists thingies, they’re as bad and untrustworthy as influencer sponsorships imho. I would trust neither.
Ah so by “cases” you mean you have the court documents, or one of those aforementioned articles you say I shouldn’t trust? Sounds like we’re saying the same thing except I don’t trust proton and you’re their salesman of the month. Why you pushing them so hard on me?
With the last bit, I’m joking about how you seemingly have to convince me to use proton. What’re we doing here, really? I’m trying to find out info about IVPN.
