• queermunist she/her
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    8 months ago

    It’d be really funny if ByteDance doesn’t sell and TikTok getting banned crashes the economy.

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      8 months ago

      Given the CCP involvement in their country’s businesses, I think there will be a lot more involved than would be in other sales. There are already articles talking about how the sale will take longer than the 6-month timeline (if it passes the Senate/President and any potential legal challenges).

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        8 months ago

        Any sale of a hundred+ billion dollar company takes years. Look at the attempted acquisition of ARM.

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          Uh…TikTok is not ARM, or anything close to resembling it.

          The US justification for forcing the sale of TikTok may be horseshit political theater for dubious reasons, but that doesn’t close the gap of making a TikTok sale anywhere close to resembling ARM.

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            8 months ago

            $16B US revenue, doubling YoY, gross margin likely in the 70s. Even at the P/S of an established company like Facebook, TikTok’s US operations would be worth on the order of $200B. That’s on par with the largest acquisitions in history and dwarves Nvidia’s acquisition attempt of ARM.

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              Relative valuations aren’t the key differences, it’s what the companies do, and what they support.

              ARM technology powers the vast majority of mobile devices, and is estimated to have upwards of 30% of the PC CPU market share by 2026.

              It’s sale, or acquisition, is more than a pissing match between two great powers.

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        I don’t see there being a sale at all. ByteDance isn’t gonna sell the world’s hottest social media platform simply because a foreign country demands it, and even if it were a lucrative enough offer to be tempting, the CPC wouldn’t allow it anyway. If something like this happened in the other direction, I think 1/4 of the US Senate would go into cardiac arrest on the spot, and there’s exactly a 0% chance it would be allowed to happen

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      8 months ago

      'Member when the libs were all up in arms about Orange Baboon picking Mnuchin for treasury secretary. Now they are all rooting for him to “buy” TikTok… Pepperidge Farm remembers.

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            8 months ago

            That’s because it’s not even a potentiality right now. Tik Tok is not up for sale, and the likelihood the Senate even takes up the bill to force a sale is very low. Why would anyone in government care what Steve Mnuchin thinks right now?

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    I always found this hilarious. I’m in Canada but this opinion applies to my country too.

    Everyone keeps talking about evil undemocratic China, authoritarian, manipulative, immoral, untrustworthy and completely unlike our culture or ideals .

    But we choose to conduct billions of dollars worth of business and transactions with them on a regular and ongoing basis.

    We shouldn’t trust them … but we can buy everything we use from them.

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      Everyone keeps talking about evil undemocratic China - But we choose to conduct billions of dollars worth of business and transactions with them on a regular and ongoing basis.

      That’s probably one of the biggest contradictions of capitalism. You can make up all the bullshit (or valid) reasons you want for why something is bad but because money is the only consideration, all of that falls by the wayside the instant they have something to offer that they want.

      When communism finally wins, it will be because capitalists were the ones who ultimately funded them.

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      8 months ago

      Europe had a view in the 90s–00s that trade can be a vehicle for enforcing peace. That plus capitalist greed let Russia invade Georgia and Crimea before that view changed overnight too late. Similarly countries turn a blind eye on what China is doing

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    Absolutely hilarious framing here implying that it’s somehow China’s fault that US is trying to ban TikTok and now a bunch of US investors are getting fucked.

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    8 months ago

    I wish all American investor dollars a very

    permanent Chinese citizenship

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    8 months ago

    My money’s just fine right here in my bank account. Plus some emergency cash in a drawer in my bedroom. I don’t know what the big deal is. Fuck 'em.

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      Sorry but your money in the bank isn’t fine, it gets slowly eaten by inflation. The inflation is designed in a way to stimulate your spending as saving them doesn’t make economic sense.

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        Bitcoin solves this. The 1 BTC you have today will always be 1 BTC which will always be the same portion of supply. How much that BTC buys you will change over time, but the portion of supply will always remain the same. And if the last 15 years are any indication, it will generally buy you more over time. Meanwhile, your fiat currency increases supply by 2-3% per year in “good” years.

        BTC has kept to its fiscal promise or a fixed supply and reliable transactions for 15 years. Bitcoin has a market cap of 850 billion dollars, which places it in the top 25 countries by GDP. Bigger than Sweden or Israel. It is decentralized and not run by any country but by a protocol enforced by tens of thousands of computers all over the globe. With Lightning, you can send an international transaction in under a second for under a penny in fees. You can do that with a smartphone and halfway reliable internet access. It works in warzones, it works in international waters (with satellite internet), it works everywhere. It doesn’t care what your credit score is or whether or not your authoritarian government likes Bitcoin or not. No middlemen, no bank holidays, and it does this for < 1% of global electricity usage, mostly from renewables and “stranded supply”.

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          I checked your post history out of curiosity if you are shill-bot. And while you apparently spend a non insignificant time writing about Bitcoin, you also wrote pretty smart things too and seem to be a decent person. You also seem engaged in tech and interested in doing good things with it.

          Which confuses the fuck out of me how anyone like you could still argue in 2024 that Bitcoin is anything but a gigantic garbage fire. And not just Bitcoin. Pretty much all copycat crypto currencies it spawned.

          Which is not to be confused with blockchain technology. That has some fringe use cases. It is a valid technology for certain databases in some pretty specific and relatively few instances. But except for very specific and seldom legal cases, the technology hsas pretty much proven it is noehere near a proper replacement for money in general.

          So back to my point: How can someone who seems legitimately decent from most posts I saw, interested in technnology and most probably not having been hit on the head with a brick, write such a shill post with no particular purpose (at least from what I could gather)?

          Obviously you don’t have to reply. I am fucking nobody, it’s your busniness and I am certainly not entitled into an answer. I am really just curious how after especially the last couple of years, after all the existences Bitcoin and it’s offspawns must have ruined, them not having provided any tangible benefits to humanity in the process, how can one still argue it could ever do anything good as a replacement for money. Bitcoins atrocious and devastating track record, I’d argue, tells you all you need to know. And crypto exchanges are just unregulated stock markets where you get scammed left and right.

          Sorry for the rant, I expected a bot. Maybe you still are.

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            I’m not a bot, I just see things differently than you. I think Bitcoin and blockchain generally will lead us to a more efficient, more peaceful world where people have more financial and political autonomy. I think things will look different (in a better way) when our underlying currency supply is not inflationary. Most economists disagree.

            after all the existences Bitcoin and it’s offspawns must have ruined, them not having provided any tangible benefits to humanity in the process, how can one still argue it could ever do anything good as a replacement for money.

            When people talk about negative associated with crypto, as I’m sure you know, 99% of the time they are talking about stuff that is not Bitcoin. Most of the scams in the crypto space fall apart with the slightest scrutiny. Many of the most notable scams have little to do with crypto at all. FTX was a classic ponzi scheme, most of which have been done with fiat currency, yet we do not blame the US dollar for Bernie Madoff’s existence. Exchange collapses are bad, I agree, which is why I always advise people to not store significant funds on exchanges. Those exchanges need to be better regulated/have better oversight and transparency. Any time you have a third party store funds for you, whether they are a bank or exchange, there is a risk they will rug you. There are also risks associated with self-custody. That is for each person to weigh and decide. The US and Europe have had fairly stable banking systems the past 100 years or so, which is a historical anomaly, but most countries are not so fortunate, and it’s not like the EU and US banking system have not had their own collapses, rugs, and other issues. I would go so far to say that fiat currency is also a scam, just one we have come to accept as legitimate. It is designed to lose value over time, it fails the basic function a currency is supposed to provide, which is as a store of value when you sell your labor or goods so that you can then use that value to purchase something equally valuable from somebody else. That functionality doesn’t happen if your currency lost value due to supply inflation. We have the state control currency because they were the most stable institution ever created by humanity, so they were our best option. Satoshi changed all that.

            As far as utility? I think the market cap speaks for itself, so does investment by major investment firms and banks. I can send money to anybody on planet earth with a cell phone for less than a penny in fees. The transaction settles instantly. It doesn’t matter whether or not they have access to a stable banking system or if my bank/country has an agreement with their bank/country to enable the efficient transfer of funds. I can do it from my couch instead of M-F 9-5 and I don’t even have to wait in line at a bank branch. That’s powerful utility right there. I sent Bitcoin to Ukraine’s government when the war started so they could buy weapons and whatever else they needed. That would have been a slow, expensive nightmare to do with bank wires. My bank likely wouldn’t have even let me send money to a country at war since the receiving bank couldn’t guarantee liquidity in exchange. DAOs are powerful ways to change the way we organize society. I help run a non-profit bounty program for open-source projects, people donate to it with crypto, which is much easier to do on an international scale when we don’t need to involve the conventional, slow, convoluted international banking system. We can use those crypto donations to fund open source tools for scientific research. There are many points of utility.

            Small countries are now experimenting with Bitcoin because it gives them a way to have a reasonably stable currency without becoming subservient to the US. Before Bitcoin, their options were to manage their own currency which they lack the stability to do or become subject to the whims of a foreign government. Likewise, in some parts of the world, women cannot legally have a bank account. But they can have a phone and run Bitcoin on it. Granted, that would be illegal for them too, but it is at least possible whereas there is no bank that would agree to open an account for them. That’s a different kind of utility than the kind I get out of it, but a relevant form. Bitcoin can be a powerful tool against tyrants and dictatorships, a way to “opt out” of the monetary system that keeps them in power.

            I find Bitcoin useful, you may not, that is your choice. I have used it in everyday transactions, I have bought and sold goods and services with it. Since I have started making an effort to prioritize using it, I have been surprised how many places will accept it for payment. Much of crypto is hot garbage or outright scams, even if the technology itself has great potential. Crypto exchanges and stablecoins are not to be trusted. That said, Bitcoin has kept its fiscal promises to me and all of its users for 15 years. There’s no reason to expect that to change in the next 15, as long as computers still run the protocol, it will execute itself faithfully. The protocol works, you can use it to send coins from point A to point B. Whether or not you or society or whoever find that useful is not up to me.

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      8 months ago

      As always, keep all your dollars in money

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    8 months ago

    I love how they are trying to make these wealthy investors sound like your average American. Get fucked losers.

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    8 months ago

    Good headline NYT, but now tell me why their money is stuck. Is it perhaps because the US is trying to legislate a TikTok ban?