I’ve found that Linux users will either bend over backwards trying to help or will call you an idiot for not knowing “basic” shit. Basic shit to them is something that is only known to 5000 people globally.
If you talk shit instead of genuinely having trouble with something, any hobby group will not take it lightly. There’s honestly trying and coming up empty, and then there’s the “I don’t have to put so much effort on other platform X” kind of response that indicates you are just trying to trash talk.
My general rule is that i shouldn’t spend more energy than the person asking for help because there are people that call for help not because they are unable to solve the thing on their own, but because they rather someone else did everything for them.
That was the reason I lost my job as an A&E doctor
If you talk shit instead of genuinely having trouble with something, any hobby group will not take it lightly.
Such a simple concept. It’s surprising the number of people who don’t recognize this, then invariably go on to talk about how “toxic” the community was to them for “just asking a question.”
In 2014/2015 my little brother went to the arch forums to get help with his “Arch” install. They were very helpful. And then they realized he was using antergos and kindly pointed him to the correct resources.
Kinda funny in hindsight, but I’m extremely thankful they didn’t tell him to drink bleach or whatever.
Contrast to circa 1997, and I got dual boot and mounting my windows drive figured out. Hadn’t found out about non-root users yet.
I asked in EFnet #linux about how to start x. The answer I was given was
rm -rf /. I said Thanks and rebooted to Linux.Ladies and gentlemen, that is not the correct answer. The correct answer was
startx. The answer I was given fucked both my Linux and my windows drives.I feel the Arch devs and TUs can be quite helpful, but the users spreading the gospel can be the opposite sometimes. I remember a user saying Arch won’t implement PackageKit because it was shit, but the actual reason from a developer was that PackageKit doesn’t really work with rolling release distributions like Arch.
Archwiki is also one of the best consolidated sources of information on Linux, too, whether you run arch or not (I run arch, btw).
That’s unusual. I got chewed out royally when I forgot I was on Manjaro and did a dmesg dump to a Arch forum question that of course showed the Manjaro kernel booting up. Like unpleasantly so, and I’ve got a pretty thick skin. And it wasn’t a problem that was particular to Manjaro, it was a general pipewire bug I’d found.
I avoided the Arch forums like the plague after that, just figured it out on my own going forward, even when I was on vanilla Arch. I guess it was a good thing in that I learned more troubleshooting skills than I would have asking for help. I’d still go into the forums looking for answers, and I’d see the same few forum users/admins shitting on people in the threads. It was sad.
Maybe it’s better today, haven’t had to fix much recently.
I started using Linux in 2008. A friend of mine on an old forum showed me wubi and helped me get set up. When he went AWOL and stopped posting, I went on some Ubuntu forum and asked for help with a problem I was having (WiFi had stopped working randomly). Those people tore me apart and spit on my bloodied corpse. It was brutal. Apparently, I was a disgusting moron for using wubi instead of replacing windows (on my netbook with no disc drive) entirely. It was insane. I’ve since discovered that I’d just found a particularly toxic group by chance, and that most of the community is actually very kind. But at the time, it was genuinely hurtful. I not only stopped asking for help for a long time, I stopped learning about Linux and computers in general because I felt like it was something I’d never understand, I was clearly too stupid to get it.
I was walking on eggshells asking about a particular problem that occurred on Arch Linux and Arch Linux ARM and I had posted the ALARM logs because that’s the one I was using when making the post.
I’m a Linux System Engineer, so when people ask what I do I just say “I work in IT” and when they dig deeper, I ask “how technical/good with computers are you?” because I’ve explained what I do at a general level to people and have watched them get more and more lost. I’ve also dumbed it down a lot and people are like “I know tech” and then I go full nerd and lose them.
The duality of man. Personally, I’ve only ever experienced the first kind.
It’s an elitist mindset. I have been around a few. I try to be helpful, but I’m sure I have come off as a different way at times.
I try to help when I can to pay penance for when I was young and an asshole.
🎵 when you were young and your brain was an oozing wound, you used to say “skill issue, noob” (you know you did, you know you did, you know you did)
But if this ever-changing world in which we’re livin’ Makes you facepalm and sigh
Help out a guy! 🎵
I’ve only ever experienced the first kind firsthand when asking for guidance, but seen a lot of the second in the form of online bickering not involving myself 😄
“They ruined Linux!”
You Linux users sure are a contentious people.
YOU’VE JUST MADE AN ENEMY FOR LIFE!
It’s the best part of the joke!
In our defense, nobody actually likes nvidia. They are a bunch of greedy patent trolls who actively stifle innovation with the way they run their business. And I don’t hate windows users. I just think they’re reckless with their privacy. As for mac users, I see them as cousins. At least what they’re using is posix compliant. Oh, and other linux users: if you’re using snaps, fuck you and fuck the horse you rode in on. You’re even stupider than the windows users.
I’m pretty sure most people love NVidia, since it’s the popular option, generally works, and provides features that aren’t available elsewhere, both in gaming and GPU compute.
Of course, most of NVidia’s advantages come down to marketing and pushing for their proprietary technologies, while avoiding supporting niche users and refusing to release their code. The thing is though, if you use Windows, NVidia is probably the better choice from an end-user’s point of view.
If you’ve been PC gaming on windows for a long time (a much longer time than I have actually) you’ll have beef with Nvidia. You’ll remember what they did. You’ll remember when they released a driver to specifically break PhysX if there was an AMD card installed. You’ll remember them consulting with game studios shortly before the release of certain games just to put yandere simulator toothbrush levels of too much polygon in certain scenes to make sure their cards benched favorably in said games. You’ll remember a shit tonne of things like that they did. From an end user’s perspective, a fair amount of users have a chip on their shoulder for one thing or another that Nvidia did.
They are still scummy. I have on good authority they offer big monetary advantages to engineers working for competitors if they come join them taking a couple a trade secrets and source code along side them.
I have on good authority
I’m not doubting you, this sounds exactly like something they’d do, but I’d still like some sauce with it (to use as ammunition in online arguments)
Here is a recent example: Lawsuit accuses Nvidia of stealing trade secrets — perpetrator busted with a screenshot of stolen code | Tom’s Hardware. While we don’t know for sure if Nvidia was involved in the theft, here is what my insider view brings to the picture (and here, you can trust me or not):
- While working for Valeo, it’s impossible to not know the consequences for stealing source-code and other secrets. Like most companies of this size, you need to go through this wonderful “anti-trust, bribery and compliance” training every year, with a test and signature at the end. This guy knew what risk he was taking by stealing source-code. Personally, I wouldn’t take this risk unless I am offered with a life-changing amount of money.
- I know from former coworkers with similar profiles than mine, that while they were paid ~85k€ at Valeo, Bosch will get you ~75k€ and Nvidia will take you for ~115k€. They definitely have a good budget to get engineers out of the competitors.
P.S. I realize this is not proving anything and it sounds mostly like “trust me bro”. Make of this what you want.
That’s the thing - none of those would’ve affected you negatively if you’ve been using Nvidia, so if you’re just playing games and not following the news, you’re more likely to just hear people complain about AMD this, AMD that, they broke it… But everything works fine for you
I’ll stop using snaps when flatpak starts fucking working on my PC (and a few other points)
what distro do you use out of interest? and are we talking not working at all or… what’s wrong with them exactly?
On some of my systems it absolutely refuses to connect to flathub, it literally just hangs. On some others, flawless shit, works 10/10, well as well as flatpak works anyways.
Another huge issue is with how Flatpak handles system libraries as opposed to quite frankly the sane model of Snap – I sometimes get big Nvidia and underlying library updates with Flatpak. This is a more systemic issue
And well, the whole sealed container model of Flatpak makes life actual living hell for development tools under it
I have (K)Ubuntu and Debian right now but this is rather universal for me
Snap has absolutely no system libraries and handles them by bundling them per package. Flatpak does kinda the same thing but a few core ones get bundled in the runtime. As far as I’m aware you can’t update libraries without rebuilding the snap completely. There are a lot of things you could say about this behavior but “sane” would not be high on that list. Stable maybe. I’ve had flatpaks break because a bug got introduced in a runtime. Snaps probably wouldn’t have that problem. But those underlying library updates are shared. You update the nvidia-opengl runtime once and it updates for steam, heroic and all your emulators. Meanwhile unless I’m fundamentally misunderstanding snaps, when a new mesa feature is released, you need to wait for the snap maintainer to update the snap before you can take advantage.
@AMDIsOurLord @TheGingerNut I’m actually interested, where does flatpak fail to work on desktop?
I’ve been using it for quite some time (I run the flatpak versions for Discord, discord-screenshare and easyeffects), all of them are Desktop applications and all work quite well.
I want to remark “quite”, as I’ve found some issues but most of them are related to isolation (e.g., being unable to drag-and-drop files into Discord)
Make that if you’re using Ubuntu in general.
insert bellcurve IQ meme about Ubuntu users at the low and high end, with Arch users in the middle
I use Arch, btw
Not exactly. It’s still used as a basis for Mint and Pop_Os. It’s still a fave basis for other people’s distros. And I think if you’re using an ubuntu based distro it’s not your fault that your upstream is stupid. To clarify:
- ubuntu
- kubuntu
- lubuntu
-> PEBCAK
- Pop_Os
- Linux Mint
- Hannah Montana Linux
-> Silly maintainers using a dumpster fire like Ubuntu as a basis
Ok but that shit with Nvidia is they fault
Saw on a mug: “Linux is user friendly. It’s just very picky who it’s friends are.”
who its* friends are
yes, sorry
*their. I mean, they’re petty much like a family member, so why not
Who is no tits?
I was a FreeBSD user once, for around three months.
I’ve learned everything about startx command that is known to mankind.
Tried that as well, around 2011. Not exactly a pleasant experience, with regard the HW support of my laptop. I guess it wasn’t FreeBSD fault anyway, to be honest.
That’s weird when I tried they supported normal display managers.
Given that I’ve installed it around 2006 from a CD disk, they’ve fixed a lot of things since then.
It was the time when spending a week to just launch some graphical applications was something to boast about. Some would think people even made it harder on purpose to filter out Windows normies. Thankfully, sanity prevailed, after those same hax0r kids went to high-paying engineering jobs and had to deliver a working product on a fixed deadline. Now you insert your USB drive, press Next - Next - Next - Root password - Reboot, and have your FreeBSD installation working out of the box and ready to use in 20 minutes. Boring!
Well there’s always Gentoo at least, though not a BSD Unix of course
Gentoo brings back that OG build-everything-from-source experience.
Some of you are taking this a bit too seriously. I’m a Linux user and thought it was funny.
Linux users having strong opinions? I’m shocked I tell you, SHOCKED!
The problem is that too many linux users use bad distros while criticising the best one. Some even use the wrong window server; and don’t even get me started one those whose who are mistaken about the aim of the open-source movement!
It’s the same problem Android phones have: people buy cheap shit Android phones, and of course, they’re garbage. Then they switch to an iPhone which is $600-900 more and it works better, and they’re like Android sucks! Even though they never tried anything else before they jumped ship.
Samsung phones are not really better.
I agree, I’m typing this up on a S23 Ultra. IMO the Pixel line is the best, my Pixel 2 XL was the best phone I ever owned in a decade, with the Nexus 6 right behind that. My 6 Pro was nice, but the screen was way too fragile and I wasn’t a fan of the camera hump.
By best you mean glorious Debian right?
Of course they do!
suggesting a better option doesnt mean im your enemy 😉
suggesting a better option doesnt mean im your enemy 😉
Windows users areMicrosoft is so passive-aggressive.
This shitpost brought to you by Microsoft
The Linux community is nice and helpful, idk what you are on about
A much bigger portion of it gives their work away for free than the other two
Followers of capitalist projects, believing their “you are important” lies. And still dislike followers of different equally shit companies.
No u
