• @Zerush
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    Blacklight analyse Mozilla

    Blacklight detected this website sending user data to Alphabet, the technology conglomerate that encompasses Google and associated companies like Nest. The Silicon Valley giant collects data from twice the number of websites as its closest competitor, Facebook. An Alphabet spokesperson told The Markup that internet users can go here if they want to opt out of the company showing them targeted ads based on their browsing history.

    The site sent information to the following domains google-analytics.com, google.com, googletagmanager.com.

    Company description accurate on Sept. 3, 2020 Read Google’s Privacy Policy

    You like or not, Mozilla make money with surveillance advertising, that is, with the user data. You only can oopt out from Alphabet request it in this same company which already has your data, but you are still tracked by Nest and by Google itself, as they say for “product improvement”, Vivaldi ask the community and the user to do this, voting new features, there is nothing tracking you and selling your data., not even googleanaylytics. That is the difference betwen a US soft and a European soft.

    Vivaldi make money with sponsored links and search engines, which include by default, but which the user can delete without problems if he don’t use or wan’t these. Apart with a little merchandising store. You can sync in the own Vivaldi server, encrypted end to end, Vivaldi itself can’t access to your data, not even can restore data and password, if you lost your password.

    In the beginning also Firefox was centered in the needs of the user, but nowaday it makes decisions in own interests, that is the reason because a lot of users leaved this browser and even the Linux communities pass more and more to Vivaldi, there are already two distros that include Vivaldi as the default browser, FerenOS and Manjaro, others will follow, if Firefox does not return to its roots.

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      Could you post the actual source instead of just quoting it? That’s useless.

      Also seems the Blacklight analysis is of the Mozilla website? “Blacklight detected this website…”

      To which I ask “who cares?” This is not an indication of if their browser is sending telemetry to Alphabet, which it is certainly not.

      Also based on your post history- you come off as a shill, which immediately makes me doubtful of your claims and this Vivaldi browser.

        • rowdy
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          Dude. This is a blacklight scan of the Mozilla website. It means nothing about their browser.

          Not sure if you’re just dense or purposefully deceitful. Given you’re a shill for another chromium skin, I’m leaning towards deceitful.

          • @Zerush
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            If you read my comments you will see that I have not said that Firefox passes your data to Google (at least not if you rule out Google, which is the default search engine). But if you need to synchronize your data and also if you download to Firefox from Mozilla, this data does go straight to Google. Firefox is a good and private browser, I myself use it as a second one, but not so much if you need to sync your data, then it is necessary to use your own host and not Mozilla if you want to avoid Google, this is the problem. I am not misleading, because I know that this putting all Chromium in the same drawer is deeply false, it is true that Vivaldi uses Chromium (Blink) as its base, but it is largely de-googled, leaving the rest of the Google APIs as an option for the user in the security and privacy settings. If I disable everything, I can’t even download extensions from the Chrome Store, since it’s not recognized as Chromium Browser, so it’s the only API I have active. It is not a simple Chromium fork with a logo, like others, no data is sent to Google apart from queries about Chromium updates that goes through Vivaldi, where the devs gut it and then make it available in the Vivaldi update itself, neither by the browser nor by the Vivaldi sync server in Iceland, encrypted data where not even the Vivaldi team itself has access (if you lose your password, you lose your data , no recovery possible), no ads and no tracking, surveillance advertising, , like US Browser companies do, isn’t the business model of Vivaldi

            Vivaldi is owned by its employees. And we plan to keep it that way. Having no external investors gives us the freedom to listen to our users and, together with them, build the browser they deserve. Every idea counts and is taken seriously.

            • rowdy
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              Prove your claim or move on. No shit if you have Google as the search engine it will pass data to Google. Mozilla passes data to Google if you use their Sync function? Prove it. Your useless Blacklight scan of Mozilla.org is not proof. You’re just saying nonsense.

                • rowdy
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                  Okay, I’m done responding to your bullshit. You’re clearly stupid, deceitful or both. Did you even read the article you posted? Google pays Firefox to be the default search engine - everyone knows this. If you keep the default as Google, no shit will it send data to Google, you’re literally using Google’s search engine - where else would it send the data? Where does this prove that the FIREFOX BROWSER or its Sync function sends data to Alphabet?

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                    Certainly you are tracked if you use the default Google search, but even if you change to another search ther are remaining the Google APIs in FF, which you can desactivate in Vivaldi, but not in FF

                    I think you have read more than only the first lines of the links

                    Fact: In addition to the Google cash flowing to Mozilla, a number of Google engineers spend significant amounts of time working on Firefox. This includes Ben Goodger, the former lead developer, and still a major contributor for the browser. Yes, other companies pay developers to work on Firefox, but none throw as many overall corporate resources at the browser.

                    Fact: Two key features of the Google Toolbar for Firefox were rolled into the Firefox 2.0 browser and are turned on by default: Google Browse By Name and Google Safe Browsing for Firefox (now the Phishing Protection feature in Firefox 2.0). These two features, while useful, are more than just the application of a useful patch. They result in millions of Firefox browsers regularly polling Google servers for core information.

                    Fact: The Google Anti-Phishing relationship will be expanded in Firefox 3.0. While Google currently is the default provider of a blacklist of known phishing sites to the browser, this will be enhanced to include a blacklist of sites that serve up malicious software.

                    Mozilla and FF are great in the past and FF is a good browser, but currently is a Google pet. Things which happens dealing with the devil, loosing independence. BS if you believe any other thing.

    • @joojmachineOP
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      there are already two distros that include Vivaldi as the default browser, FerenOS and Manjaro

      small reminder that only one of the many community editions of Manjaro has done so, no need to be disingenuous

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        More will follow, especially if Mozilla continues to develop Firefox against the interests of users, much of the majority distros already include Vivaldi as an alternative in the repositories. You look at it as like, Vivaldi is the best alternative to Firefox, in view of the others on the network.

        Brave? well, is a good browser, but for it’s incoming it has a reward system, that is, it stops blocking trackers of its sponsors, including Facebook.

        Opera? the worst of all, Chinese companies and privacy is a oximoron.

        Some fork of Firefox? alll the conect to Mozilla, apart most are outdated or not very stable.

        Cent Browser? very customizable, but somthing disatended and outdated

        UR? The french browser may be a good privacy oriented browser, better than Brave, but it’s something outdated and closed source as Chrome itself

        Some minority browsers with other engine than Blink, Gecko or WebKit’ I use Otter and Pale Moon, but only for test reasons, because they lacks of some incompatibilities.

        KDE tried it with browsers with WebKit and Qt engines, like Falcon or QupZilla, but without a big result.

        Min Browser, very fast and lightweight, maybe good for old PC with few resources, but lacks of any settings posibilities, it’s a window with search engine (DDG) and little more.

        There are also some other browsers for enterprise use, with own engines, but paid and closed source.

        Maybe Beaker Browser can be used as second (experimental P2P browser), with interestings features, but very special, good for webmasters.

        Some text based browsers, like Lynx? Maybe only usefull for some tasks

        A lot of others discontinued, like the Tri-engine Avant and more than 70 others.

        All of these i’ve tested, also Firefox, and I know why I say that Vivaldi currently is the only alternative.