• Gaia [She/Her]
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    Tbh with how yall are denying the gender pay gap and acting like you carry the world I’m kinda rethinking my support of men in any way. Like bro women get drafted too, and they’re called trans women. The issues you’re talking about don’t even only affect men, so it really just ends up being ineffectual whining.

    When I presented male and worked at McDs, I had the highest wages of anybody but the manager. After I transitioned, they wouldn’t hire me. That’s an infinitely large pay gap.

    • @TheAnonymouseJoker
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      -22 months ago

      You people do not give a shit about equality, and just want benefits through an invented revenge for patriarchy that catered only to 1% elites, not to all men, all while detaching female privilege that has always existed throughout time.

      Talk when women agree to do the same high risk or societally unacceptable, uncelebrated jobs as men do. Until then, you people are privileged as fuck and just want the limelight and money.

      Hijacking social media, whining and being deluded does not warp real world. Also, we do not need support from folks like you, who never cared about equality to begin with. Kindly take off the equality masks and do us all a favour, us people who want peace and equilibrium… please nuke each other in this culture war and end our misery.

        • @TheAnonymouseJoker
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          A fascist bleeds, indeed. You seem to be the one working against attaining equilibrium for both men’s and women’s rights, and for a peaceful and fair world.

          Equal pay (or reward) distribution demands equal hours and equal sacrifice of physical, mental and spiritual domains, something men are hardwired to be better at than women.

          And oh, I almost forgot about the transwomen drafting part. Despite transitioning, they still carry biological male traits and are thus like cis men at physical tasks than cis women. The only thing that changes with transitioning is in regards with social construct and social addressing, not physical traits that go beyond boobies or cock and balls.

          • queermunist she/her
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            I can tell you’ve never actually worked a blue collar job.

            Both factories I’ve worked in are evenly split 50/50 between men and women, but men are the ones that get to be supervisors while women stay in production. The main difference is that 90% of these women are migrants so they don’t shy away from hard work the way USians do.

            It’s all socially constructed, there’s no biological imperative, and it’s extremely obvious if you go to any US factory.

            Or go to any farm that uses migrant labor. Same story there, the fields are filled with both men and women. Or slaughterhouses or meat packing plants or many of the other dirty jobs where US-born workers are a small majority or in the minority. Women born in the US are socially conditioned to avoid these jobs and to instead pursue service jobs and other female-coded labor like hospitality and education and nursing, but women who immigrate from Africa or the Caribbean or Latin America don’t have that choice.

            • @TheAnonymouseJoker
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              But… there is a massive world outside of USA. Antiwork is not focused on USA. And biology plays a massive role in how and why men openly pick jobs that women are selective and risk averse about.

              What kind of factories are they? Do they carry risk of fatal injury or death? Do women pick uncelebrated and frowned upon jobs as much as men do?

              I do not live in USA, but outside of it, India, where struggles are galore.

              • @OurToothbrush
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                Literally read Capital Volume 1 and note how women are put into degrading and dangerous conditions.

              • queermunist she/her
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                You don’t get to “pick” jobs in a factory setting, you are assigned work and you either do it or get disciplined.

                Women are operating heavy machinery, lifting and organizing steel parts, operating power tools like grinders and air guns, working with welders and powder coat ovens, and everything else that men do on the production line and at production stations. The difference is women have to stay at the bottom and don’t get to be supervisors or managers or shift leaders. At best they can become a team leader, someone who barely makes more than anyone else and has to do basically every job that needs doing when there’s staff shortage.

                “Biology” doesn’t cause men to like risky jobs, they’re socially conditioned to undervalue their own health and comfort for money. You don’t see rich men taking risky jobs! That’s for all of us on the bottom of society, because we have few choices. Blaming biology for what is very obviously a product of capitalism is absurd. After reading Capital Volume 1, read The Origin of Family, Private Property, and the State.

                Also? Sex work, the oldest profession, carries a huge risk of fatal injury and death. It’s uncelebrated and frowned upon too.

                Yet women dominate the work in that field. Why?

      • @Omega_Haxors
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        I cannot stress this point enough: You have a lot of denazifying to do. Stop acting like you’re immune and start putting in the work.