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Thread by @thecoleslaws: Thread of sources on Uyghurs oppression and concentration camps that cannot, by any sane person at least, be called western propaganda: This continues to be an important piece considering i...…

I haven’t read a lot of these sources myself yet, but the first one at least by the Communist Party of India is worth a read.

  • BlackLotus
    24·
    4 years ago

    No anarchist that I know of is organizing efforts in Xinjiang to fight China.

    See, I disagree with this. By regurgitating the unverified claims (which some anarchists do), those anarchists are organizing efforts against China. (Edit: Although not in Xinjiang, but that distinction is not important in my opinion.)

    While pretty much every anarchist I know in the US spends hours every week organizing efforts to fight the US in one way or another.

    Awesome work for sure.

    The discussion around China’s treatment of Uygurs is always so unnuanced to me. … China is a villain and needs to be stopped. China has not and never will do anything wrong. Your criticisms are orchestrated by the CIA.

    Tankies don’t say the latter at all. We painstakingly and categorically debunk the unverified claims and point out that it’s extremely dangerous to promote Western propaganda. That being said, we do not dance around with nuance in this respect, and we cite sources such as the nuanced anti-war takes which perpetuated criticisms against the imperialist’s targets. Those nuanced takes completely failed to prevent the Gulf War, the war on terror efforts against Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, etc. Public opinion matters. Spreading unverified claims feeds the public opinion machine.

    My point is that it makes sense to deride the takes of anarchists who promote the unverified claims, but it does not make sense to deride the takes of tankies who fight against promotion of the unverified claims.

    • polymerwitch
      4·
      4 years ago

      You keep implying that any “nuanced take” contains unverified claims, but you already said that my take (which I consider more nuanced than the straw-men takes I listed) doesn’t. You just believe it doesn’t warrant US aggression toward China. Hey, I agree. I have no delusions that my take is going to stop US aggression more than the fact that I ate toast this morning will. My nuanced takes didn’t stop the invasion of Iraq in 2003, but neither did my organizing, marching, and shutting down the city I live in when the bombs fell. GWB literally just said “he didn’t care about protests”.

      This thread is literally the most I’ve ever written or spoken about the Uyghurs, and probably the most I’ve criticized China this year. It was literally a response to someone posting a list of claims where I called for considering that a lot of it is filtered through the US propaganda machine.

      I honestly have better things to do now. If you want to cancel me for saying China isn’t perfect and some Uyghurs exist who are unhappy with China, then by all means do so I guess. I’m going to go and actually work on a project that helps change the material reality in the community I live in.

      • BlackLotus
        2·
        4 years ago

        You keep implying that any “nuanced take” contains unverified claims

        If this is what you’re reading from my writing, I’m definitely failing to communicate, and I’m sorry for that.

        My nuanced takes didn’t stop the invasion of Iraq in 2003, but neither did my organizing, marching, and shutting down the city I live in when the bombs fell. GWB literally just said “he didn’t care about protests”.

        Nuanced takes aren’t inherently good or inherently bad. I’m hyper focused on the “nuanced” takes by Western leftists who, unlike you, regurgitate unverified claims from Western media.

        If you want to cancel me for saying China isn’t perfect and some Uyghurs exist who are unhappy with China

        I’m not trying to cancel anyone (not like I have or want that power anyway), just trying to shift the perspective and the conversation.

        This thread is literally the most I’ve ever written or spoken about the Uyghurs, and probably the most I’ve criticized China this year.

        I like the vast majority of what you’re putting down for what it’s worth!