As Reddit’s enshittification reaches new heights their attempts to suppress attention for alternatives, like federated Lemmy, has the opposite effect as this Hacker News discussion shows.

  • ATGM 🚀
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    -3211 months ago

    The most disturbing thing I’ve seen is the evidence that Lemmy.ml is controlled by a genocide-supporting red fascist/third positionists. If that’s true, its a massive issue and makes the platform hard to trust.

    Very open to learning that this isn’t true, if it isn’t.

    • @m532
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      1811 months ago

      You are a wrecker who is trying to destroy lemmy. You will not succeed. Go back to 4chan where someone might believe your weird conspiracy theories.

      • @TheAnonymouseJoker
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        411 months ago

        I know what he is. There used to be a person like this on Lemmy probably 2 years ago, who I shut down. He left with a vow to “destroy Lemmy”. There are some unhinged dumpster fires like this.

    • @Moonrise2473
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      1311 months ago

      Maybe you’re confusing with lemmygrad?

      I’d like to read more on this, if true

      • @TheAnonymouseJoker
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        911 months ago

        There is nothing like this even on Lemmygrad. People there do not believe, they prefer dissecting through Cold War parroting. Liberals being Cold War McCarthyist parrots is a common phenomenon and should not be surprising. They are useful idiots.

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          11 months ago

          Ziq is not a trustworthy source on shit. That guy is well known for lying and impersonating people to stir up shit, and has a personal vendetta against any leftist message board that he isn’t personally capable of manipulating. He impersonated me and a few other members of Hexbear in the very early days when it became clear r/ChapoTrapHouse wasn’t going to settle on Raddle.

          • ATGM 🚀
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            11 months ago

            Hm really? I saw a few links to posts on reddit with the same username as the lemmy.ml admin. Those posts were extremely Yikes.

            Edit: The lemmy.ml admin was removing my posts critical of the Chinese State, so it seems true.

        • @Moonrise2473
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          711 months ago

          Fuck, i even didn’t notice that the lemmy.ml instance admin, also the Dev of lemmy and the android app has Mao as a profile cover, with Che as avatar…

          • ATGM 🚀
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            -211 months ago

            Yup! The face of genocide & forum administration.

        • @TheAnonymouseJoker
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          211 months ago

          Marxist-Leninists are not radical leftists. Do you even know what socialism is (no do not parrot the economics definition)? Do you know how many divisions exist between socialist left? What makes you such a pompous and loud person to talk on the subject, when you know nothing about such a deep subject? Westerners are so arrogant, intellectually disgusting and unhinged and do not know when to shut up.

          • @seirim
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            -111 months ago

            Wow the vitriol, you’re the one assuming the worst in someone else here.

            • @TheAnonymouseJoker
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              311 months ago

              Bother someone else, internet champ. Or go learn about communism instead of eating bullshit cooked up by Washington.

    • @RagingNerdoholic
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      811 months ago

      Very open to learning that this isn’t true, if it isn’t.

      That’s not how this works. If you’re going to make serous accusations like that, the onus is on you to provide evidence to support them.

      FWIW, I have no particular loyalty to lemmy.ml, I just joined the first instance I saw.

    • @aRatherDapperFox
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      811 months ago

      Do you happen to have a link to said evidence? I’d love to review it, myself.

    • luckless
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      711 months ago

      What’s the source on that? That’s a pretty big accusation but I’d certainly want to know if it’s true.

      • Kichae
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        11 months ago

        It stems from the fact that lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml cofederate, that the project leads are communists, and the claim that lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml off of the same IP address.

        The first two points are not in contention, but I haven’t, personally, been able to verify the third.

        Now, lemmygrad is absolutely a trollish, auth-left hellscape. And I say that with… well, not respect, but not specific derision, either. That genuinely seems to be the aesthetic they’re going for. They’re not here to make friends with anyone but themselves, and they’ll play apologetics for China, North Korea, and Stalin’s takeover of the Soviet Republic all day long.

        But even if the project leads are genuinely involved in that, it doesn’t really change the fact that the project is not inextricably tied to them. It’s an open source project. It can be forked, and forked again. No one actually needs lemmygrad or lemmy.ml. Or lemmy, for that matter. Everyone can hop over to kbin or Friendica and still access all of the same communities.

        Shit, they’re accessible from Mastodon and Calckey.

        And besides, it’s not like people avoid using software when it’s made by white supremacist capitalist techbros. In those cases, we all basically just go “yeah, but I’m not a white supremacist capitalist techbro” and carry on with our day. And those products generally can’t be wrenched from their control or oversight.

        Most people chose Elon over learning that multiple websites exist…

      • @FaceDeer
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        1411 months ago

        And even if it were true, there are other instances. The only reason I’m on lemmy.ml myself is because the one that was recommended to me first was offline when I tried it, I could move somewhere else if this turns out to be true.

        • Ignacio
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          311 months ago

          When I joined Lemmy a year ago (with another user), Lemmygrad was not my piece of cake, Lemmy.ml was too big (similar to mastodon.social), Lemmy.ca was not in my continent, and I didn’t notice about beehaw. So, sopuli was the only one standing: small, from Finland and not tankie.

          Creating a instance can be difficult, but it’s a good way when you don’t like what you’re offered, and it can help other people to find their home.

          • ATGM 🚀
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            -411 months ago

            So long as the entry points like join-lemmy aren’t controlled, then yes it is a possibly good solution. I’m not stating facts at this point, only stating my concern about what I saw.

        • ATGM 🚀
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          -1811 months ago

          What concerns me just now is whether join-lemmy the website is controlled by them or not. So far I don’t know if it is- But if the entry points are guarded by genocide-supporting (not denying) left-fascists, then that does pose a significant issues.

          BTW, these ifs I’m using aren’t rhetoric devices. I’m not stating this as fact. There seems to be indicators of concern- Is what I’m saying.

          • @_ed@sopuli.xyz
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            2411 months ago

            Having been a lemmy resident for a while (this being my second account and someone who doesnt visit lemmygrad at all) is that in my experience the Devs conduct themselves professionally, impartially and generally have the patience of saints.

            If you decide to stay here for a while you might form the same impression.

            • ATGM 🚀
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              -2111 months ago

              Regardless of whether that’s true, one of those devs seems to be a genocide supporter. Not even a denier, but a supporter.

        • @TheAnonymouseJoker
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          011 months ago

          Marxist-Leninists are not radical leftists. Do you even know what socialism is (no do not parrot the economics definition)? Do you know how many divisions exist between socialist left? What makes you such a pompous and loud person to talk on the subject, when you know nothing about such a deep subject? Westerners are so arrogant, intellectually disgusting and unhinged and do not know when to shut up.

    • @TheAnonymouseJoker
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      611 months ago

      Have you ever considered analysing the TV news you consumed from western propaganda news outlets regarding “communism”? Or is it just parroting without criticising the source of “communism bad” propaganda, or trying to self criticise your position? Have you ever considered what is critical thinking, or does it feel nice to have trolling privileges while you relax in your gaming chair slinging shit on leftists?