Yes, and that complaint will undoubtedly remain, since the basis for that argument was that it isn’t possible to clap-back at racially insensitive or bigoted posts by quoting. (Dogpiling)
But Mastodon’s plan involves users opting-into their posts being quotable, so the worst actors are just not going to opt in, and people will continue to complain about it.
Though, if it prevents the “dunk mechanism” that the developer of the quote-tweet openly regretted introducing to Twitter, I’d wager we’re moving in the right direction by generally only allowing the other half of the argument for this feature: boosts with extra context.
Besides someone opting in, I hope that the person being quote-tooted also receives notification of that and maybe even notiications of all replies on the quote toot. This so it isn’t a mechanism to “talk behind someone’s back” which by leaving someone unaware makes it more suited tool for abuse.
I would hope that people can get beyond the feeling of vigilantism being seen as a vital feature. Not that I’m opposed to them taking on bigots, but if creating Twitter drama is a deal breaker then it feels like they might have their priorities in the wrong order.
No, they aren’t. Eugene was concerned that was what they would be used for if implemented, but they’ve been on the fediverse for years on most platforms that aren’t mastodon, and even the research on their use on twitter shows they’re not really responsible for an increase in harassment.
Any concerns about harassment can also be covered by implementing them properly, making them opt in etc…
Okay, thanks! Assuming it gets added, I hope it sends a message that Fediverse developers are listening to the wishes of people in the Black Twitter diaspora, even if it goes against the traditional stance of the Fediverse developers.
The thing is, it’s not “Fediverse developers”. It’s the mastodon developer. Most fediverse apps have supported quote toots for a long time. Mastodon is the odd one out.
Was this the feature that some people were like “Black Twitter can’t migrate to the fediverse without this”?
Yes, and that complaint will undoubtedly remain, since the basis for that argument was that it isn’t possible to clap-back at racially insensitive or bigoted posts by quoting. (Dogpiling)
But Mastodon’s plan involves users opting-into their posts being quotable, so the worst actors are just not going to opt in, and people will continue to complain about it.
Though, if it prevents the “dunk mechanism” that the developer of the quote-tweet openly regretted introducing to Twitter, I’d wager we’re moving in the right direction by generally only allowing the other half of the argument for this feature: boosts with extra context.
Besides someone opting in, I hope that the person being quote-tooted also receives notification of that and maybe even notiications of all replies on the quote toot. This so it isn’t a mechanism to “talk behind someone’s back” which by leaving someone unaware makes it more suited tool for abuse.
I would hope that people can get beyond the feeling of vigilantism being seen as a vital feature. Not that I’m opposed to them taking on bigots, but if creating Twitter drama is a deal breaker then it feels like they might have their priorities in the wrong order.
Yep!
Yeah? I though quote-tweet were being used for harassment?? What did I missed?
No, they aren’t. Eugene was concerned that was what they would be used for if implemented, but they’ve been on the fediverse for years on most platforms that aren’t mastodon, and even the research on their use on twitter shows they’re not really responsible for an increase in harassment.
Any concerns about harassment can also be covered by implementing them properly, making them opt in etc…
Any links to that research? I’ve only seen evidence to the contrary.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/alexkantrowitz/how-the-retweet-ruined-the-internet
Okay, thanks! Assuming it gets added, I hope it sends a message that Fediverse developers are listening to the wishes of people in the Black Twitter diaspora, even if it goes against the traditional stance of the Fediverse developers.
The thing is, it’s not “Fediverse developers”. It’s the mastodon developer. Most fediverse apps have supported quote toots for a long time. Mastodon is the odd one out.