I like how you just pop up anywhere where it even shows or mention religion. Not even talking about religion directly, just showing some pictures is enough to make you wanna react.
I have to plant the seed of counter propaganda, comrade.
This myth of portraying Jesus, a character who was condoning racism, tribalism, pseudoscience, theocracism, inmovility, etc, as some sort of socialist caring bear makes good to no one except for religious institutions, who have enormous material and social benefits from it.
Kind of like making memes with Churchill as a good guy and Stalin as worse than Hitler thing.
Why do we need to rehash this old topic even when someone posts something tangentially related to religion such as a meme that only uses it a sa template?
Still, where was the necessity for that comment? A post got locked, people got banned, we had our little arguement just a week or two ago.
I don’t see why provoking is the thing to do.
Jesus was an eschatological prophet-avatar that announced the comming of the end of the world to achieve world dominance/paradise, while portraying non Jewish as worthless dogs and generally bad people. Also, its teachings were mostly, if not all, towards Jewish, being himself the guru of hos own cult following, and, here we come, demanded that the followers pray for this end of the world massacre where only few (of course of his own race) will be saved. Something that is still present in the Gospels and the NT in general.
Jews were one of the many groups that were victims of roman imperialism / domination. Early christianity and much of judaism should be seen in this light: as a resistance to Roman imperialism.
Do you have a source for Jesus comparing non-jewish people as “dogs and generally bad people”?
I was making a walltext, but because my phone is garbage, and can’t do a swift job regarding copy pasting from different sources, so I will first say the first short part, and do the fat one in some note or something that doesn’t dissappear because of not enough data…
Ahem.
The Hebrew supremacy is not something that was born during the Roman Empire, its something the Old Testament is filled with, to the point that there’s even today in some Judaist sects, the celebration of the Amalekite genocide (which could have been pretty fictional, but still not so wholesome, frankly).
The OT is filled with promises of conquest and of enslavement of the rest of the world from the Israelites, either from Elohist (older) sources and from Yahwehist sources.
Now I’m going to do the collage work wherever I can.
There was incredibly intense struggle session in early christianity about that. And the only options were a) he’s just god and b) he’s human and a god. No christian denomination think he was just a human, it would not be christianity anymore then.
So yeah, he’s always a god, and not just any god but THE God, omniscient and omnipotent. And yes, they did noticed the fact if he was really omniscient there would be no need for Jesus at all, but those guys were declared heretics and majority of christianity just proceeded to happily ignore that paradox, like every other one.
No… Wtf? I mean, yeah, the Gospels contradict each other, and stuff, but depending on the sect and in general therms, Jesus was never a normal man, only in the most gnostic of the gospels, Mark, which is the first one (historically) may interpret this thing, but the religious consensus is that Jesus is divine, not just a prophet like Moses, even if Jesus said that if Moses wasn’t real, he was for nothing. Spoiler:Moses never existed.
Back when I was in Catholic indoctrination school, I was taught that Jesus was both completely god while also being completely a normal man. This is of course ridiculous, but Christians thought it made sense because muh god.
I mean, the meme wasn’t talking about historical Jesus, but if you wanna put it this way…
While we don’t have any writings nor direct testimonies of a historical Jesus, if he was real at all, what original Christians were, was an escatohological (apocaliptic) sect very into interpreting Judaist texts and sort of a mix between Amish, Jehovah’s Witnesses and those not so known Christian cults from Russia from the pre Soviet / Tzarist times.
Basically, “the end is near” + tribalism + persecution complex to the point of asking Roman judges to be executed so they could be martyrs.
This one, even if was real, is nearly completely nonexistent in christianity.
To know more about supposed human Jesus, i would suggest reading about the essene sect rather than christian sources, since judean preachers of early I century were heavily influenced by that sect. In next two generations they went much more radical which ended in the bloodbath of uprising.
Yeah, it’s the same interpretation that a sect of ancient pre-orthodox Christians (we have to interpret Orthodox not as the Orthodoxy post great Schism) that were then persecuted and had to fly outside the Roman Empire to the Arabian Penninsula.
The Gnostics had a similar fate, but I think that Gnostics were directly wiped out.
The meme is backwards. Jesus was the one wanting massive genocide except for a little group of cultists.
I like how you just pop up anywhere where it even shows or mention religion. Not even talking about religion directly, just showing some pictures is enough to make you wanna react.
I suggest not escalating things further, we don’t need another flame war thread with 70 comments…
Yeah, sure. Nothing more to add
I have to plant the seed of counter propaganda, comrade. This myth of portraying Jesus, a character who was condoning racism, tribalism, pseudoscience, theocracism, inmovility, etc, as some sort of socialist caring bear makes good to no one except for religious institutions, who have enormous material and social benefits from it.
Kind of like making memes with Churchill as a good guy and Stalin as worse than Hitler thing.
Why do we need to rehash this old topic even when someone posts something tangentially related to religion such as a meme that only uses it a sa template?
People asked, I answered 🤷♂️
Where did they ask? Its a top level comment not an answer
Uh, the next ones
Still, where was the necessity for that comment? A post got locked, people got banned, we had our little arguement just a week or two ago. I don’t see why provoking is the thing to do.
I’d never heard of jesus wanting a genocide, where does this come from?
Jesus was an eschatological prophet-avatar that announced the comming of the end of the world to achieve world dominance/paradise, while portraying non Jewish as worthless dogs and generally bad people. Also, its teachings were mostly, if not all, towards Jewish, being himself the guru of hos own cult following, and, here we come, demanded that the followers pray for this end of the world massacre where only few (of course of his own race) will be saved. Something that is still present in the Gospels and the NT in general.
Jews were one of the many groups that were victims of roman imperialism / domination. Early christianity and much of judaism should be seen in this light: as a resistance to Roman imperialism.
Do you have a source for Jesus comparing non-jewish people as “dogs and generally bad people”?
I was making a walltext, but because my phone is garbage, and can’t do a swift job regarding copy pasting from different sources, so I will first say the first short part, and do the fat one in some note or something that doesn’t dissappear because of not enough data…
Ahem.
The Hebrew supremacy is not something that was born during the Roman Empire, its something the Old Testament is filled with, to the point that there’s even today in some Judaist sects, the celebration of the Amalekite genocide (which could have been pretty fictional, but still not so wholesome, frankly). The OT is filled with promises of conquest and of enslavement of the rest of the world from the Israelites, either from Elohist (older) sources and from Yahwehist sources. Now I’m going to do the collage work wherever I can.
*God himself
Both. Both of them. And if you count trinitarian mythology, Jesus is god.
Wait, Jesus has a status of god? Wasn’t he always a normal human
There was incredibly intense struggle session in early christianity about that. And the only options were a) he’s just god and b) he’s human and a god. No christian denomination think he was just a human, it would not be christianity anymore then.
So yeah, he’s always a god, and not just any god but THE God, omniscient and omnipotent. And yes, they did noticed the fact if he was really omniscient there would be no need for Jesus at all, but those guys were declared heretics and majority of christianity just proceeded to happily ignore that paradox, like every other one.
No… Wtf? I mean, yeah, the Gospels contradict each other, and stuff, but depending on the sect and in general therms, Jesus was never a normal man, only in the most gnostic of the gospels, Mark, which is the first one (historically) may interpret this thing, but the religious consensus is that Jesus is divine, not just a prophet like Moses, even if Jesus said that if Moses wasn’t real, he was for nothing. Spoiler:Moses never existed.
Back when I was in Catholic indoctrination school, I was taught that Jesus was both completely god while also being completely a normal man. This is of course ridiculous, but Christians thought it made sense because muh god.
I mean the real Jesus, not fictional one from bible
I mean, the meme wasn’t talking about historical Jesus, but if you wanna put it this way…
While we don’t have any writings nor direct testimonies of a historical Jesus, if he was real at all, what original Christians were, was an escatohological (apocaliptic) sect very into interpreting Judaist texts and sort of a mix between Amish, Jehovah’s Witnesses and those not so known Christian cults from Russia from the pre Soviet / Tzarist times. Basically, “the end is near” + tribalism + persecution complex to the point of asking Roman judges to be executed so they could be martyrs.
This one, even if was real, is nearly completely nonexistent in christianity.
To know more about supposed human Jesus, i would suggest reading about the essene sect rather than christian sources, since judean preachers of early I century were heavily influenced by that sect. In next two generations they went much more radical which ended in the bloodbath of uprising.
I always thought in christianity he was just the son of god, lol.
In Islam he’s the son of Mary and is a prophet, not god or the son of god or anything like that
Yeah, it’s the same interpretation that a sect of ancient pre-orthodox Christians (we have to interpret Orthodox not as the Orthodoxy post great Schism) that were then persecuted and had to fly outside the Roman Empire to the Arabian Penninsula. The Gnostics had a similar fate, but I think that Gnostics were directly wiped out.