• ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
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    11 year ago

    Notice that the only objection @pingveno@lemmy.ml makes to chattel slavery in this whole thread is the brutality. Evidently, he’d be perfectly fine with the system as long as the slave owners weren’t allowed to egregiously abuse their slaves. Thus he even argues that the modern prison slavery in US is not comparable to chattel slavery.

      • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
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        41 year ago

        I also love this notion that the conditions got better because of capitalism. This shows such profound ignorance of history. Pretty much all the concessions workers got were won through militant organization of workers and the threat of USSR.

        • Sr Estegosaurio
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          61 year ago

          Nobody remembers that rights were payed in blood. Literally nobody. Everyone thinks that at some point in history we suddenly obtained them or something.

          And the fact that those rights were fought by the left is even more forgoten…

          • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
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            41 year ago

            Yeah, people really need to learn how all these rights we enjoy today were won.

            • @pingveno
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              21 year ago

              Things like the 8 hour work day?

                • @pingveno
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                  1 year ago

                  Exactly. Won by the labor movement after the American Civil War. Not achieved by capitalists and not involved in abolishing chattel slavery.

                  • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
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                    21 year ago

                    Thank you for supporting the point I’m making. Capitalism of itself does not improve worker conditions compared to chattel slavery. The improvement in conditions comes from violent action against both systems of oppression.

    • @pingveno
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      01 year ago

      Evidently, he’d be perfectly fine with the system as long as the slave owners weren’t allowed to egregiously abuse their slaves.

      Slavery is intrinsically abusive. I didn’t think I needed to bother saying that. Chattel slavery is intrinsically more abusive than other forms of slavery, especially as was practiced in the South.

      Thus he even argues that the modern prison slavery in US is not comparable to chattel slavery.

      Comparable? Hell no, in the same way that the Holocaust is not comparable with a few dozen people being murdered. Obviously both are evil, but one is terrible on a completely different scale than the other.

      • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
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        11 year ago

        Rounding up minorities to work in labour camps is likewise intrinsically abusive. Again, the argument you’re trying to build is based on chattel slavery being excessively abusive the way it was practised in US. This implies that you don’t actually have an issue with the concept in general, just as long as slaves aren’t abused excessively. Hence, US prison system today is not comparable.

        I love how you further go on to minimize the scale of the US prison labour system. Entire state economies are now based around it. In the United States today there are more prisoners than farmers.

        You keep on digging though.

        • @pingveno
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          01 year ago

          This implies…

          And here’s where you’re making a mistake. You’re drawing all sorts of inferences to put words in my mouth. I don’t know if you’re just a spiteful individual, but it’s a pattern of behavior.

          • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
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            11 year ago

            I can only infer what you mean based on what you say. In the entirety of this thread the only criticism you’ve managed to come up with for chattel slavery is that it’s exceptionally abusive.

            Nowhere do you address the fundamental issue that chattel slavery shares with capitalism which is the domination of one set of individuals by another.