• @pingveno
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    You do realize this reasoning was historically (and to a lesser extent currently) used to defend slavery? Be careful what rhetoric you use.

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
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      31 year ago

      Pointing out the fact that wage slavery under capitalism is worse than chattel slavery is a not defence of chattel slavery.

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        Except it isn’t worse, and that’s frankly a horrible thing to say. Like, if you’re making the same argument that a white supremacist makes, maybe it’s time to check whether you want to be saying that?

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
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          41 year ago

          Except that I’m not making the same argument that a white supremacist makes, that’s just your deranged reading what my argument. My argument is that both types of slavery are bad, and capitalism makes aspects of slavery EVEN worse. The fact that capitalism outcompeted chattel slavery is itself an indicator that it reduces the costs for the slave owner.

          Since you evidently have trouble understanding what I’m saying I’ll spell it out for you. Slavery should be abolished period whether it’s the old chattel slavery or the modern capitalist slavery. Hope you can get that through your head.

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            Except that I’m not making the same argument that a white supremacist makes, that’s just your deranged reading what my argument.

            Every single one of the points in that image could be coming out of a neo-confederate’s mouth. Yes, the North had its problems with exploitation and industrialization, this is well known. But it was nothing close to chattel slavery.

            The fact that capitalism outcompeted chattel slavery is itself an indicator that it reduces the costs for the slave owner.

            My dude, we fought a fucking war over it. That’s how chattel slavery ended in the US.

            • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
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              Every single one of the points in that image could be coming out of a neo-confederate’s mouth. Yes, the North had its problems with exploitation and industrialization, this is well known. But it was nothing close to chattel slavery.

              You seem to be confusing recognizing facts of the situation with intention. Your white supremacist friends see these facts and advocate going back to slavery, while socialists see these facts and see that slavery has not yet been abolished and there’s more work to be done. It’s simply amazing that somebody could have so much trouble understanding this.

              My dude, we fought a fucking war over it. That’s how chattel slavery ended in the US.

              Chattel slavery was never ended in US. I am amazed just how ignorant you are about your own country. A quintessentially American moment here.

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                Your white supremacist friends see these facts and advocate going back to slavery

                Neo-confederates are primarily of the “Lost Cause” variety, where they diminish the horrors of slavery, make comparisons with the industrialized North, and romanticize the South. I’m not exaggerating when I say that you are snatching words right out of their mouth.

                Chattel slavery was never ended in US.

                While the prison system arguably allows a form of slavery via the felony exception to the 13th Amendment, it is not chattel slavery since no ownership is involved. There are of course plenty of pieces of history that I could in depth on like Black Codes, debt traps, and terrorism by the KKK and other white supremacist groups. Still not chattel slavery.

                I am amazed just how ignorant you are about your own country. A quintessentially American moment here.

                Oh teacher, I was unaware that you required a ten page single spaced Times New Roman paper on African American history following the period between Reconstruction and the present day. I’m quite well versed in US history around slavery, thank you.

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                  Neo-confederates are primarily of the “Lost Cause” variety, where they diminish the horrors of slavery, make comparisons with the industrialized North, and romanticize the South. I’m not exaggerating when I say that you are snatching words right out of their mouth.

                  You’re the only one diminishing the horrors of slavery here. I continue to be amazed by your inability to understand that there are multiple dimensions to any comparison. It is possible see parallels between chattel slavery and capitalism from both the right and left wing perspective. The notion that just because the right uses a particular argument it should be automatically discarded is infantile beyond belief. You’re using reductive logic here.

                  While the prison system arguably allows a form of slavery via the felony exception to the 13th Amendment, it is not chattel slavery since no ownership is involved. There are of course plenty of pieces of history that I could in depth on like Black Codes, debt traps, and terrorism by the KKK and other white supremacist groups. Still not chattel slavery.

                  People are being deprived of liberty and being forced to work in order to create profit for the people who own the prisons. This is literal slavery, and the fact that there is no ownership involved on paper is just a formality so people like you can claim this is somehow completely different.

                  Oh teacher, I was unaware that you required a ten page single spaced Times New Roman paper on African American history following the period between Reconstruction and the present day. I’m quite well versed in US history around slavery, thank you.

                  Oh so just knowingly whitewashing the things your regime does here.