I think this is a good thing for society, right? On one hand , their fascist/racist/etc. speech is clearly causing serious problems. On the other hand, their speech wont go away but instead be driven to less and less public places – which prevents counter speech but also makes it harder to find and possibly radicalize people. But then again , counter speech doesn’t really seem to be working. In this particular case , I agree – parler needed to go but I am curious what people here think… does the precedent scare anyone? any concerns about what else could be banned going forward?
Counter speech requires orders of magnitude more effort to create, so the type of low effort posts that radicalize people will always win out among populations susceptible to radicalization. I think deplatforming bigots is completely justified but it is worrying that a handful of people get to control what the rest of us speak about. Decentralization is the obvious way forward because while bigots may keep their platform they can be shunned by other communities and it will be harder for them to radicalize people in communities who don’t want them because they will have smaller, more hands-on moderation teams and less profit-motive.
Reveal who is paying for advertisements, how much they are paying and who is being targeted.
Commit to meaningful transparency of platform algorithms so we know how and what content is being amplified, to whom, and the associated impact.
Turn on by default the tools to amplify factual voices over disinformation.
Work with independent researchers to facilitate in-depth studies of the platforms’ impact on people and our societies, and what we can do to improve things.
Are similar, they can help peel away the un-pilled (by exposing them to facts and logic) and expose those behind this, which might even disillusion a few pilled fokes (e.g oh it turns out I’m not risking arrest for the poor and downtrodden, just for a bunch of business owners, who wouldn’t piss on me if I was on fire)
However I don’t think anything is going to address the pilled, except removing their political base, which IMO can be done in part addressing the conditions in rural America, basically replacing FDRs new deal, that Nixon revoked. e.g https://berniesanders.com/issues/revitalizing-rural-america/
I think without the political base they claim to represent’s support, they become just a small cult of whackjobs that can be more or less ignored.
Yeah , here is hoping they turn into a small cult. I think so much about current events is concerning; however, the thing that gets me the most ‘freaked out’ is the over all trend. I think it is unlikely that “trumpism” will go away with the de platforming of him + some others + parlor – I hope I am wrong. When I look at the radicalization of the right (anecdotally) it seems to be trending ‘extremely’ vs. ‘moderately’. I already see people saying that the right is being silences – which feeds into their message of “poor us” the “liberal cartel” is censoring us, etc… so, I think the next 6 months - 1 year will be really telling. We will see if the systematic de-platforming of individuals promoting violence and conspiracy theories is effective at ‘calming’ things down and , ideally, preventing more violence. As I mentioned in my first post , I do think this is the right move – I am just not 100% it is going to play out the way I hope it does. @RiotingPacifist@lemmy.ml thanks for links – I don’t have time to watch the video now but I will check it out later tonight.
I think this is a good thing for society, right? On one hand , their fascist/racist/etc. speech is clearly causing serious problems. On the other hand, their speech wont go away but instead be driven to less and less public places – which prevents counter speech but also makes it harder to find and possibly radicalize people. But then again , counter speech doesn’t really seem to be working. In this particular case , I agree – parler needed to go but I am curious what people here think… does the precedent scare anyone? any concerns about what else could be banned going forward?
Counter speech requires orders of magnitude more effort to create, so the type of low effort posts that radicalize people will always win out among populations susceptible to radicalization. I think deplatforming bigots is completely justified but it is worrying that a handful of people get to control what the rest of us speak about. Decentralization is the obvious way forward because while bigots may keep their platform they can be shunned by other communities and it will be harder for them to radicalize people in communities who don’t want them because they will have smaller, more hands-on moderation teams and less profit-motive.
De-platforming, works to prevent recruitment and peel away those on the pipeline that haven’t eaten the whole pill yet.
I think Mozilla’s suggestions
Are similar, they can help peel away the un-pilled (by exposing them to facts and logic) and expose those behind this, which might even disillusion a few pilled fokes (e.g oh it turns out I’m not risking arrest for the poor and downtrodden, just for a bunch of business owners, who wouldn’t piss on me if I was on fire)
However I don’t think anything is going to address the pilled, except removing their political base, which IMO can be done in part addressing the conditions in rural America, basically replacing FDRs new deal, that Nixon revoked. e.g https://berniesanders.com/issues/revitalizing-rural-america/
I think without the political base they claim to represent’s support, they become just a small cult of whackjobs that can be more or less ignored.
Yeah , here is hoping they turn into a small cult. I think so much about current events is concerning; however, the thing that gets me the most ‘freaked out’ is the over all trend. I think it is unlikely that “trumpism” will go away with the de platforming of him + some others + parlor – I hope I am wrong. When I look at the radicalization of the right (anecdotally) it seems to be trending ‘extremely’ vs. ‘moderately’. I already see people saying that the right is being silences – which feeds into their message of “poor us” the “liberal cartel” is censoring us, etc… so, I think the next 6 months - 1 year will be really telling. We will see if the systematic de-platforming of individuals promoting violence and conspiracy theories is effective at ‘calming’ things down and , ideally, preventing more violence. As I mentioned in my first post , I do think this is the right move – I am just not 100% it is going to play out the way I hope it does. @RiotingPacifist@lemmy.ml thanks for links – I don’t have time to watch the video now but I will check it out later tonight.