First of all, Europe cutting itself off from Russian energy had zero negative impact on Russian energy exports to date. If anything, Russia is making more money from energy exports than it ever has. This idiotic policy only hurts people in Europe.
Second, the war is a direct result of western actions since the fall of USSR. This is a well documented fact. Here’s what Chomsky has to say on the issue recently:
50 prominent foreign policy experts (former senators, military officers, diplomats, etc.) sent an open letter to Clinton outlining their opposition to NATO expansion back in 1997:
George Kennan, arguably America's greatest ever foreign policy strategist, the architect of the U.S. cold war strategy warned that NATO expansion was a "tragic mistake" that ought to ultimately provoke a "bad reaction from Russia" back in 1998.
Jack F. Matlock Jr., US Ambassador to the Soviet Union from 1987-1991, warning in 1997 that NATO expansion was "the most profound strategic blunder, [encouraging] a chain of events that could produce the most serious security threat [...] since the Soviet Union collapsed"
These and many other voices were marginalized, silenced, and ignored. Yet, now people are trying to rewrite history and pretend that Russia attacked Ukraine out of the blue and completely unprovoked.
The war in Ukraine will not be won by the west, and all the west is doing is ensuring that more Ukrainians die and more people in the west suffer.
All so that psychopaths can feel good about not bending the knee. Amazing how easy for you to fuck over lives of millions of people for your ideology. You are the definition of human garbage.
Still, cutting Europe from Russian’s energy and progressing to a more independent on that front benefits Europe more in the long run. So it’s not just sanctions.
Europe could be doing that without sabotaging its economy. Absolutely nothing stops Europe from building out alternative energy infrastructure while continuing having a secure energy supply.
It’s already a broken record by the propaganda front that this war is happening because of the western actions.
It’s not propaganda. It’s literally what pretty much every western expert has been saying for decades. It’s absolutely surreal that people continue to deny this.
What about Putin dismissing a peace proposal in the spring:
And by bending the knee millions of people have been killed or injured just because of cheap energy. Hooray for your ideals. If something is fucked, that certainly is.
Ah right, the thing you made up as opposed to thing that’s actually happening.
Concerning you, it’s safe to remove the “human” part from the definition of garbage.
Says the guy who’s willing to fuck over millions for his ideology.
You clearly must understand that taking energy from Russia is blood money.
You clearly must understand that Russia isn’t doing anything different than NATO here. In fact, the whole playbook for Ukraine was copied from the Yugoslavia playbook NATO used. NATO recognized the independence of breakaway provinces in Yugoslavia and then used that as a pretext to invade. Russia did exact same thing with LPR and DPR following historical precedent NATO set. Given your unwavering support for NATO this shows what a hypocrite you truly are.
Furthermore, as I’ve already explained, Europe destroying itself economically does not hurt Russia in any way. If anything, this puts Russia in a much stronger position with regards to Europe. Stuff like steel mills are shutting down all across Europe already. This is going to be a problem for Europe building any sort of military, especially given that current stock piles have already been depleted in Ukraine.
The west didn’t attack Ukraine.
The west literally overthrew an elected government in Ukraine in 2014 and has been funding and arming a regime that courts literal fascists there ever since.
And the deal in April… well, that was mostly a demand, not a proposal.
No, it was a very reasonable proposal. Only a two bit propagandist would argue otherwise.
Says the guy who despises the west and the NATO, but still lives in a western NATO country. Maybe it’s time for you to move out and join the comrades.
That’s right I despise your genocidal alliance. Just because I’m stuck in a western country doesn’t mean I have to support the murderous regime. I’d love to move out, but it’s not as easy to uproot your whole life as some idiots seem to think.
Come next year you’ll get to see everything you hold dear crumble because of idiotic policies you support.
I’m curious what’s the new playbook now when China demanded Russia that they must leave Kazakhstan alone and keep it independent? Seems China holds the better hand now. And when China is the one that literally funds Russia now so…
China is the biggest winner, and China becoming the dominant geopolitical player can only be a good thing. Certainly a far most sane and stable country than Russia. However, claiming that China is the only country that funds Russia is just plain old misinformation. Russia has lots of trade with India, Iran, Turkey, and many other countries including most of Latin America. BRICS is rapidly becoming world’s dominant economy and Russia is a the centre of it.
Meanwhile, the west doesn’t actually produce much of anything and with cheap and abundant energy being the thing of the past, Europe is now starting to deinudstrialize further.
People voted because they wanted to take a step towards western countries and Europe. Russia didn’t like that. And here we are in 2022 where the propaganda blossoms that west is the one to blame and the government was overthrown. Sigh.
That’s not what actually happened. It was a violent coup that overthrew the government people voted for. You’re either utterly ignorant or much more likely a liar.
It was a demand.
It was a negotiation, and Ukraine was close to accepting the terms. This would’ve preserved most of the territory Ukraine had before the war. After the west sabotaged this negotiation Ukraine’s position has been worsening with every single month.
Is it just me or does it look bad if we bend the knee and became a pawn for Russia? I’d say that’s pretty idiotic policy.
That is precisely where the current European policy is leading you. So, if you think that’s bad, then you should be opposing it, but since you’re also an idiot you support it. This is a self fulfilling prophecy.
Brave words from someone who doesn’t have to make any personal sacrifices.
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First of all, Europe cutting itself off from Russian energy had zero negative impact on Russian energy exports to date. If anything, Russia is making more money from energy exports than it ever has. This idiotic policy only hurts people in Europe.
Second, the war is a direct result of western actions since the fall of USSR. This is a well documented fact. Here’s what Chomsky has to say on the issue recently:
https://truthout.org/articles/us-approach-to-ukraine-and-russia-has-left-the-domain-of-rational-discourse/
https://truthout.org/articles/noam-chomsky-us-military-escalation-against-russia-would-have-no-victors/
50 prominent foreign policy experts (former senators, military officers, diplomats, etc.) sent an open letter to Clinton outlining their opposition to NATO expansion back in 1997:
George Kennan, arguably America's greatest ever foreign policy strategist, the architect of the U.S. cold war strategy warned that NATO expansion was a "tragic mistake" that ought to ultimately provoke a "bad reaction from Russia" back in 1998.
Jack F. Matlock Jr., US Ambassador to the Soviet Union from 1987-1991, warning in 1997 that NATO expansion was "the most profound strategic blunder, [encouraging] a chain of events that could produce the most serious security threat [...] since the Soviet Union collapsed"
Academics, such as John Mearsheimer, gave talks explaining why NATO actions would ultimately lead to conflict this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4
These and many other voices were marginalized, silenced, and ignored. Yet, now people are trying to rewrite history and pretend that Russia attacked Ukraine out of the blue and completely unprovoked.
The war in Ukraine will not be won by the west, and all the west is doing is ensuring that more Ukrainians die and more people in the west suffer.
All so that psychopaths can feel good about not bending the knee. Amazing how easy for you to fuck over lives of millions of people for your ideology. You are the definition of human garbage.
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Europe could be doing that without sabotaging its economy. Absolutely nothing stops Europe from building out alternative energy infrastructure while continuing having a secure energy supply.
It’s not propaganda. It’s literally what pretty much every western expert has been saying for decades. It’s absolutely surreal that people continue to deny this.
What about Bojo sabotaging the deal in April? https://twitter.com/I_Katchanovski/status/1564666561335525377
Ah right, the thing you made up as opposed to thing that’s actually happening.
Says the guy who’s willing to fuck over millions for his ideology.
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You clearly must understand that Russia isn’t doing anything different than NATO here. In fact, the whole playbook for Ukraine was copied from the Yugoslavia playbook NATO used. NATO recognized the independence of breakaway provinces in Yugoslavia and then used that as a pretext to invade. Russia did exact same thing with LPR and DPR following historical precedent NATO set. Given your unwavering support for NATO this shows what a hypocrite you truly are.
Furthermore, as I’ve already explained, Europe destroying itself economically does not hurt Russia in any way. If anything, this puts Russia in a much stronger position with regards to Europe. Stuff like steel mills are shutting down all across Europe already. This is going to be a problem for Europe building any sort of military, especially given that current stock piles have already been depleted in Ukraine.
The west literally overthrew an elected government in Ukraine in 2014 and has been funding and arming a regime that courts literal fascists there ever since.
No, it was a very reasonable proposal. Only a two bit propagandist would argue otherwise.
That’s right I despise your genocidal alliance. Just because I’m stuck in a western country doesn’t mean I have to support the murderous regime. I’d love to move out, but it’s not as easy to uproot your whole life as some idiots seem to think.
Come next year you’ll get to see everything you hold dear crumble because of idiotic policies you support.
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China is the biggest winner, and China becoming the dominant geopolitical player can only be a good thing. Certainly a far most sane and stable country than Russia. However, claiming that China is the only country that funds Russia is just plain old misinformation. Russia has lots of trade with India, Iran, Turkey, and many other countries including most of Latin America. BRICS is rapidly becoming world’s dominant economy and Russia is a the centre of it.
Meanwhile, the west doesn’t actually produce much of anything and with cheap and abundant energy being the thing of the past, Europe is now starting to deinudstrialize further.
That’s not what actually happened. It was a violent coup that overthrew the government people voted for. You’re either utterly ignorant or much more likely a liar.
It was a negotiation, and Ukraine was close to accepting the terms. This would’ve preserved most of the territory Ukraine had before the war. After the west sabotaged this negotiation Ukraine’s position has been worsening with every single month.
That is precisely where the current European policy is leading you. So, if you think that’s bad, then you should be opposing it, but since you’re also an idiot you support it. This is a self fulfilling prophecy.