They got there by hindering owning and driving a car as much as possible, making it a pain in the ass to do so, taxing car sales, and introducing aggressive pro bike laws, and rolling out bike infrastructure everywhere, taking space away from cars.
Firstly, I think the analogy is very flawed as I don’t believe that an electric car is a step towards being a bicycle rider, while being vegetarian is certainly progress towards being vegan.
Furthermore, I think there’s a huge chicken-and-egg problem with this. There will not be enough people biking without pro-bike legislation, but there will be no pro-bike legislation without sufficient numbers of bicycle riders. These things rarely happen quickly, but they aren’t happening as quickly as they should. Criticising people who take steps in the right direction is not only unhelpful but categorically incorrect, as those people are a necessary part of the movement as a whole.
ok, at this point this debate doesn’t make much sense, as neither of us have evidence to support that bullying vegetarians either helps them convert to veganism or deters them from doing so (at least I don’t have it), which is crucial in my view to determine whether calling out vegetarians is a good idea or not
i’m actually very curious about it, as i always kind of took it for granted that bullying vegetarians helps them convert to a vegan diet, but now I’m not exactly sure, i’m going to conduct a little collection of anecdotes from lemmy users to try and determine that
Firstly, I think the analogy is very flawed as I don’t believe that an electric car is a step towards being a bicycle rider, while being vegetarian is certainly progress towards being vegan.
Furthermore, I think there’s a huge chicken-and-egg problem with this. There will not be enough people biking without pro-bike legislation, but there will be no pro-bike legislation without sufficient numbers of bicycle riders. These things rarely happen quickly, but they aren’t happening as quickly as they should. Criticising people who take steps in the right direction is not only unhelpful but categorically incorrect, as those people are a necessary part of the movement as a whole.
ok, at this point this debate doesn’t make much sense, as neither of us have evidence to support that bullying vegetarians either helps them convert to veganism or deters them from doing so (at least I don’t have it), which is crucial in my view to determine whether calling out vegetarians is a good idea or not
i’m actually very curious about it, as i always kind of took it for granted that bullying vegetarians helps them convert to a vegan diet, but now I’m not exactly sure, i’m going to conduct a little collection of anecdotes from lemmy users to try and determine that