Realistically speaking, I’m not. Technically speaking, accusing people in what I do too may not be considered bad but that depends on the culture. Anyways I didn’t mean to be rude when I made that original comment. I still don’t understand how was it rude. I guess it’s my English knowledge that sucks again
You said “imagine doing a thing” implying it was a really dumb idea… Like imagine eating a tidepod… Crazy right?
But it was “imagine using a android” which like 70% of the world uses… Now your implying 70% of the world is doing something so dumb it is surprising you.
People sensibly ask you, what should they be using instead if they care about freedom etc, and your reply is use something that doesn’t exist yet…
So now the full circle is imagine doing a thing, crazy! , you should really be using something that doesn’t exist yet… You created a rhetorical situation thats impossible, and that’s why people respond very negatively to you. Your logic is inconsistent.
I didn’t know the imagine phrase means it’s stupid. I thought it’s just judgment (e. g. imagine killing people). And I didn’t even say it very seriously. I already explained the reason. If you care to actually be fair, read that
In this case I understand why people would respond negatively but imo rudeness and general toxicity is not justified. These things are always bad. Well maybe except the cases when the other side acts the same way or is just evil and you use toxicity as a form of terminating the person’s ability to hurt others. Though if what I said really was extremely rude, probably it’s fair idk
I haven’t been rude to you. Or at least I don’t think I have been.
I explained everything as clearly as I could.
Remember with communication, it’s not your intent it’s the perception that’s important. And yes your initial phrase came off as hostile and condescending
I honesty don’t understand the rudeness. What I said is unpopular as 8K monitors and I do think it can be downvoted but why being rude? I just don’t want to participate in toxicity because then I become toxic too. Ignorance is the best in this case. And I use LineageOS that’s based on Android btw
Well, yes, I prefer desktop. But you know, in some countries some people have nothing else than phones. I am glad that Mullvad has posted this and hopefully Google can fix the bugs soon.
Well, I didn’t see the other comments till now, and wrote Upvoted as an alternative to Insightful which I was intending it to sound. I appreciated your comment because I think Google likely have their own priorities.
Well yea I understand. I just didn’t know what else to say. I didn’t want to just upvote and not reply because I don’t want to ignore nice (no I’m not saying that upvoting me makes you nice) people in this toxic and hopeless world. In the contrary I want to promote them. Though nobody (probably even myself) will believe in it after everything I’ve done and said here for various reasons. I guess it’s an imagine being sus moment
All fine. Your comment where you mentioned autistic suddenly made me “understand” the let-s-call-them misunderstandings in this thread. And I agree about the toxic world, but we’re all in the same boat, so I’d say we may as well be nice to each other at least a few seconds per day. Sometimes small things can make a big difference.
Well iOS does have its advantages but tbh there are no fully usable alternatives for Android now. Hopefully Linux will get better on phones because I feel like we do need an alternative at this point
Well, we live in right now, and right now, mobile Linux just isn’t suitable for many people, and the hardware that actually supports mobile Linux is a whole other story. It’s certainly not possible to just not have a phone at all anymore, either. Calyx, Graphene and Lineage are the current best options. To say someone is stupid for using these is, well, stupid.
I didn’t say that people who use Android are stupid and neither I intended to. What I meant is that Android is really enshittificated now. “It’s certainly not possible to just not have a phone” is another story. I think relying on phones too much hurts people and the world a lot but again that’s a whole new story
Okay, but saying “Imagine using Android” paints a certain picture. And, yes, relying on phones is dangerous. It’s not that it’s impossible to live without a smartphone, it’s that arbitrary systems have been put up in society that have created a large dependence on them.
And Android runs a shit load of portable devices beyond phones.
Most handheld store scanners are Android based today. Inventory management devices (like warehouses have used since the nineties) used to be Palm-based, are largely Android now, because it’s core is Linux. They don’t have to run the standard Android shell, they can run their own.
I’ve used medical monitors that are Android based.
All things I use, besides JavaScript on websites and firmware, is basically open source.
I am lucky to use open protocols for communication only, as when deleting Facebook my friends were willing to use Matrix with me.
I can do many many compromises.
But still, I have OnePlus 6T with mobile Linux and absolutely cannot switch now. I would love to, but working camera and some alternative to Organic Maps is a must I cannot jump around when Android is “just” fine now.
Imagine using Android at this point
Imagine making idiotic statements at this point.
Imagine being rude for no reason
You and I don’t have to imagine that, dummy. We’ve already done it.
Well idk about you but I did it many times unfortunately. Imagine accusing people in what you’ve done yourself I guess. Very pathetic indeed
I’m not accusing you. I’m stating a fact that I included myself in… You are indeed a dim bulb in the pack.
Bruh I meant myself. I accused others in what I do myself. I didn’t accuse you
You’re not very self aware, are you?
Realistically speaking, I’m not. Technically speaking, accusing people in what I do too may not be considered bad but that depends on the culture. Anyways I didn’t mean to be rude when I made that original comment. I still don’t understand how was it rude. I guess it’s my English knowledge that sucks again
You said “imagine doing a thing” implying it was a really dumb idea… Like imagine eating a tidepod… Crazy right?
But it was “imagine using a android” which like 70% of the world uses… Now your implying 70% of the world is doing something so dumb it is surprising you.
People sensibly ask you, what should they be using instead if they care about freedom etc, and your reply is use something that doesn’t exist yet…
So now the full circle is imagine doing a thing, crazy! , you should really be using something that doesn’t exist yet… You created a rhetorical situation thats impossible, and that’s why people respond very negatively to you. Your logic is inconsistent.
I didn’t know the imagine phrase means it’s stupid. I thought it’s just judgment (e. g. imagine killing people). And I didn’t even say it very seriously. I already explained the reason. If you care to actually be fair, read that
In this case I understand why people would respond negatively but imo rudeness and general toxicity is not justified. These things are always bad. Well maybe except the cases when the other side acts the same way or is just evil and you use toxicity as a form of terminating the person’s ability to hurt others. Though if what I said really was extremely rude, probably it’s fair idk
I haven’t been rude to you. Or at least I don’t think I have been.
I explained everything as clearly as I could.
Remember with communication, it’s not your intent it’s the perception that’s important. And yes your initial phrase came off as hostile and condescending
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I honesty don’t understand the rudeness. What I said is unpopular as 8K monitors and I do think it can be downvoted but why being rude? I just don’t want to participate in toxicity because then I become toxic too. Ignorance is the best in this case. And I use LineageOS that’s based on Android btw
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Well yea that didn’t really make sense. I guess that’s what being autistic is. Anyways upvoted and thank you for not being toxic
Well, yes, I prefer desktop. But you know, in some countries some people have nothing else than phones. I am glad that Mullvad has posted this and hopefully Google can fix the bugs soon.
Are they interested in fixing it though?
Upvoted.
Huh why don’t you just downvote everything I say like everyone else does?
Well, I didn’t see the other comments till now, and wrote Upvoted as an alternative to Insightful which I was intending it to sound. I appreciated your comment because I think Google likely have their own priorities.
Well yea I understand. I just didn’t know what else to say. I didn’t want to just upvote and not reply because I don’t want to ignore nice (no I’m not saying that upvoting me makes you nice) people in this toxic and hopeless world. In the contrary I want to promote them. Though nobody (probably even myself) will believe in it after everything I’ve done and said here for various reasons. I guess it’s an imagine being sus moment
All fine. Your comment where you mentioned autistic suddenly made me “understand” the let-s-call-them misunderstandings in this thread. And I agree about the toxic world, but we’re all in the same boat, so I’d say we may as well be nice to each other at least a few seconds per day. Sometimes small things can make a big difference.
And use what? iOS?
Well iOS does have its advantages but tbh there are no fully usable alternatives for Android now. Hopefully Linux will get better on phones because I feel like we do need an alternative at this point
Well, we live in right now, and right now, mobile Linux just isn’t suitable for many people, and the hardware that actually supports mobile Linux is a whole other story. It’s certainly not possible to just not have a phone at all anymore, either. Calyx, Graphene and Lineage are the current best options. To say someone is stupid for using these is, well, stupid.
I didn’t say that people who use Android are stupid and neither I intended to. What I meant is that Android is really enshittificated now. “It’s certainly not possible to just not have a phone” is another story. I think relying on phones too much hurts people and the world a lot but again that’s a whole new story
Okay, but saying “Imagine using Android” paints a certain picture. And, yes, relying on phones is dangerous. It’s not that it’s impossible to live without a smartphone, it’s that arbitrary systems have been put up in society that have created a large dependence on them.
Agreed in everything. Will try to be more careful about what I say next time
Stock android is definitely enshitified - but there is still hope with custom os’s
They can change small thing or two, but nothing at the core. Look: when Samsung add something to Android vs when Google.
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Then its no longer stock?
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LineageOS with Jerboa over Mullvad VPN here. Not many options on mobile devices.
And Android runs a shit load of portable devices beyond phones.
Most handheld store scanners are Android based today. Inventory management devices (like warehouses have used since the nineties) used to be Palm-based, are largely Android now, because it’s core is Linux. They don’t have to run the standard Android shell, they can run their own.
I’ve used medical monitors that are Android based.
Lineage OS is so much better than stock Android
Yea unfortunately. Hopefully the enshittification of new versions will speed up the development of alternatives
EDIT: imagine raiding (now seriously)
What other alternative is there?
No real alternatives yet unfortunately. Though if you only use a browser, Linux may work
As opposed to iOS, the beautiful walled of garden of Eden?
All things I use, besides JavaScript on websites and firmware, is basically open source.
I am lucky to use open protocols for communication only, as when deleting Facebook my friends were willing to use Matrix with me.
I can do many many compromises.
But still, I have OnePlus 6T with mobile Linux and absolutely cannot switch now. I would love to, but working camera and some alternative to Organic Maps is a must I cannot jump around when Android is “just” fine now.
Privacy is when you fully isolate yourself from the world.