You’re totally right, the problem is with e2ee, and it is so by design. Great answer, thanks a lot

Oh, many people around me have them! I didn’t consider the server could be the problem. Using Dino on the computer and Conversations on the phone, the are usually problems either with sync or more frequently with de-encrypting

Wow, this looks great! Thank you!! I didn’t know Conversations was getting an UI overhaul, lets see it

The client-sync issue, also with encryption, wouldn’t get solved with these news, right??

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Which are those improvements?

Thanks for the great answer, I’ll take all that into account :)

Very good point. Anyway, I believe it’s worth making more comfortable the clients, even if it’s for us; but as well being aware of the point that having a modern client would make it easier that people trying XMPP out keeps there for more time.

That already exists in Conversations! Settings>Expert>Connection

It’s not fediverse, but yes a federated network

Anyway, I see that it only can be used for their servers, and not a self one.

I know, but what can I do if I have needs and ideas as user, but cannot currently develop them? Maybe after some time learning (I have not much time for that) I could, but it’s always good asking for help!

Yeah, I thought that the people who renewed K9 Mail’s interface could make that too for Conversations, that would be great!

Yeah, I first (months ago) tried to contribute to some such projects as Blabber, but they didn’t go into implementing my proposal, whether because they didn’t want to focus their project in that way, whether because it was actually difficult implementing my proposals due to the current code-structure their projects have

I didn’t know about the new UI for Gajim, and I really like it, thanks for telling about it!

Conversations and all its forks are good in fact, but they lack a modern/comfortable user interface and functionalities:

• how to quote messages
• jumping to quoted messages when taping the quotes
• treating quotes as unmodifiable elements (currently user can change the quote’s content)
• render/format the quote while writing message (instead of showing "> ")
• emoji access
• unique emoji pack, not system’s
• when searching for messages, showing the results in chat-context
• let adding more accounts (only for Blabber.im)
• the way multiple accounts are managed (currently all chats from different accounts are put together)
• an introductory explanation about what is XMPP, comparing it to email
• giving as secondary option creating an account on their project server and as first using any instance (currently the order is inverse)
• playing audio recordings having the device stuck to the ear (currently this is not possible)
• having message option pop-up dialogs on short tap, instead of long press
• navigating into chat multimedia jumping from archive to archive, without needing to go back and forward
• ability to select and copy text, not whole message, from a message
• some internationalization problems
• …

I believe that some clients have implemented them, and I don’t know them. I didn’t use Movim until now because it doesn’t work to me well (I can’t still add a node of my choice).

The reason I thought about creating a client from scratch is to avoid problems that appear when you use another’s base: they limit what can you do.

hahah, that’s good! Still, I’m not proposing a new protocol, just another way that will fit someones’ needs to use the same protocols, while others will keep using the same clients as now.

Oh, do you think that they will listen to my proposals there? :)

Most complete yes, but not very BigTech-like looking. I have nothing against them, in fact I do use them, but for many other people they don’t fit.

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