Yes, same is used to portrayed how glorious the west is.
The difference is that in the west it’s just platitudes while it’s actually happening in China. Vast majority of people living in China are happy and support their government. There is no human society where the totality of the population is happy, that’s just not how humans work.
I’m aware of that paradox. btw i’ve read the chapter 6 you proposed. i’m aware of (western/globalists) deceit tactics. i don’t think i have praised capitalism here…
What you’re doing is creating a false equivalence. Socialist systems afford people far more tangible freedoms and quality of life improvements than capitalist ones. No human society is perfect, but the kinds of societies seen in USSR, China, Cuba, and Vietnam are a tangible improvement on the real world alternatives that are available.
Meanwhile, regarding covid, the only sane thing to do with a novel virus that’s not well understood is to control its spread. Also, n95 masks work perfectly fine, the problem is that the west doesn’t have the industrial capacity to produce them at the scale needed. However, it goes far beyond masks. China developed advanced systems of monitoring disease spread after SARS pandemic. They have rapid response teams that can do mass testing door to door. They’re able to contact trace and do targeted lockdowns. None of this is possible in the west.
it’s just platitudes while it’s actually happening in China
The west isn’t perfect and is full of propaganda & lies. But China does similar. Sure, if you stay within the confines of what’s Ok by CCP, you won’t notice the brutalities. But… i never started the first reply to go back and forth about social/capital-ism. I referred another root-problem surfacing to which i didn’t get any feedback.
What you’re doing is creating a false equivalence. Socialist systems …
“No human society is perfect” i agree. i guess you’re not referring to Cuba as it is now.
Meanwhile, regarding covid, the only sane thing to do with a novel virus that’s not well understood is to control its spread…
Oh common… the first half year i would have expected that. But 1,5 years later they were still scratching their heads about control & treatment?! i don’t buy it. Did you check the papers i provided?
I don’t know how many times I have to repeat this, but vast majority of people in China are happy and support CPC. Yes, there are people who aren’t happy, just like there are people who aren’t happy in every single human society that has ever existed. However, these people are a tiny minority. China is a well functioning society that works in the interest of the majority. That’s the reality.
Yes, I’m referring to Cuba as it is now. It’s another successful socialist society that’s thriving despite the despotic US empire having tried to undermine Cuba since the revolution.
And I’m simply not going to keep debating covid with you. The papers you provided don’t prove what you seem to think they prove, nor are they in any way authoritative. You’ve just found a narrative that you like, but the reality is that we’re still discovering what long term effects of covid are. Exposing everyone to the virus before anything was known about it was sheer idiocy, and it’s surreal that people still don’t understand that.
You’re acting as if you’re the only one not getting a point across :)
Regarding Cuba. People there are afraid to talk to tourists. Letting tourists stay overnight at someone’s house can get you in big trouble. anywhere there’s a gathering of tourists there are spies to ensure nobody ‘talks’. People dissapear without notice. That’s about 6 years ago. But Cuba people are very hospitable and pleasant people. Just too bad for the government. You mentioning Cuba as a thriving socialist example really makes me wonder where you got your information.
“You’ve just found…” Such a nonsense. i would have much more to relate if you were actually interested. Very sad the world is taken hostige by blocking of any doctor having early proof, it literally took lives! I really hope you saw that Faucci with his double masks was a sanity test.
After much typing i do have an idea where you stand. Only thing, i don’t think you actually read my first/initial reply, because i only got responses which had nothing to do with what i initially posted. But, never mind.
I get my information from my friends who are Cuban. I’m sure you know better though. Anyways, I don’t think this discussion is really productive at this point. We’re clearly talking past each other. Have a good day there.
i got my information from my wife who went on a group off-road road trip there.
But indeed we have quite different sources, and thus viewpoints, which i.m.o. don’t make either invalid.
You too, have a good day.
The difference is that in the west it’s just platitudes while it’s actually happening in China. Vast majority of people living in China are happy and support their government. There is no human society where the totality of the population is happy, that’s just not how humans work.
What you’re doing is creating a false equivalence. Socialist systems afford people far more tangible freedoms and quality of life improvements than capitalist ones. No human society is perfect, but the kinds of societies seen in USSR, China, Cuba, and Vietnam are a tangible improvement on the real world alternatives that are available.
Meanwhile, regarding covid, the only sane thing to do with a novel virus that’s not well understood is to control its spread. Also, n95 masks work perfectly fine, the problem is that the west doesn’t have the industrial capacity to produce them at the scale needed. However, it goes far beyond masks. China developed advanced systems of monitoring disease spread after SARS pandemic. They have rapid response teams that can do mass testing door to door. They’re able to contact trace and do targeted lockdowns. None of this is possible in the west.
The west isn’t perfect and is full of propaganda & lies. But China does similar. Sure, if you stay within the confines of what’s Ok by CCP, you won’t notice the brutalities. But… i never started the first reply to go back and forth about social/capital-ism. I referred another root-problem surfacing to which i didn’t get any feedback.
“No human society is perfect” i agree. i guess you’re not referring to Cuba as it is now.
Oh common… the first half year i would have expected that. But 1,5 years later they were still scratching their heads about control & treatment?! i don’t buy it. Did you check the papers i provided?
I don’t know how many times I have to repeat this, but vast majority of people in China are happy and support CPC. Yes, there are people who aren’t happy, just like there are people who aren’t happy in every single human society that has ever existed. However, these people are a tiny minority. China is a well functioning society that works in the interest of the majority. That’s the reality.
Yes, I’m referring to Cuba as it is now. It’s another successful socialist society that’s thriving despite the despotic US empire having tried to undermine Cuba since the revolution.
And I’m simply not going to keep debating covid with you. The papers you provided don’t prove what you seem to think they prove, nor are they in any way authoritative. You’ve just found a narrative that you like, but the reality is that we’re still discovering what long term effects of covid are. Exposing everyone to the virus before anything was known about it was sheer idiocy, and it’s surreal that people still don’t understand that.
You’re acting as if you’re the only one not getting a point across :)
Regarding Cuba. People there are afraid to talk to tourists. Letting tourists stay overnight at someone’s house can get you in big trouble. anywhere there’s a gathering of tourists there are spies to ensure nobody ‘talks’. People dissapear without notice. That’s about 6 years ago. But Cuba people are very hospitable and pleasant people. Just too bad for the government. You mentioning Cuba as a thriving socialist example really makes me wonder where you got your information.
“You’ve just found…” Such a nonsense. i would have much more to relate if you were actually interested. Very sad the world is taken hostige by blocking of any doctor having early proof, it literally took lives! I really hope you saw that Faucci with his double masks was a sanity test.
After much typing i do have an idea where you stand. Only thing, i don’t think you actually read my first/initial reply, because i only got responses which had nothing to do with what i initially posted. But, never mind.
I get my information from my friends who are Cuban. I’m sure you know better though. Anyways, I don’t think this discussion is really productive at this point. We’re clearly talking past each other. Have a good day there.
i got my information from my wife who went on a group off-road road trip there. But indeed we have quite different sources, and thus viewpoints, which i.m.o. don’t make either invalid. You too, have a good day.
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