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Lol no one would’ve told Trump any of that even after he was elected
They probably gave him documents on it, but he’s borderline illiterate so he wouldn’t have touched them.
That’s why he still had classified documents after he left office. He couldn’t figure out what the big red letters “Top Secret” meant.
He probably got it confused with “Pop Secret” and thought he stole the national popcorn reserve.
If the documents didn’t say his name in the first couple of sentences, he wouldn’t read them.
Yeah I’d be pretty sure the team around him would have been very careful about what information they gave him.
They went through all this in Independence Day. “Plausible deniability.”
In order to learn anything about it, Trump would have had to have been curious about it, and since the subject is Area 51 and not Donald Trump you can be certain that it didn’t cross his mind even once.
“Why the hell wasn’t I told about this place?”
"Two words Mr. President, ‘plausible deniability.’"
First thing I thought of too. Love that movie.
It’s just so…entertainy
I recognize the quote but I need help, what’s the movie?
Independence Day
That’s it! Thanks
Possible what?
Plossible deny ability
Flossable? These things have teeth?
Area 51 is real. Don’t know if there’s any aliens there, but I’m betting not.
The Roswell Incident was declassified as well. It was a weather balloon with a microphone attachment that was meant to listen to a certain layer of the atmosphere where nukes are loudest. I don’t have the link as I’m on mobile.
I don’t think the government would deny any extraterrestrial claims by the news during the cold war because it would scare the commies shitless if they thought the United States had alien technology.
The US government has been caught spreading alien conspiracy theories. They were the ones supplying Paul Bennewitz with his bogus info to muddy the waters on the stealth craft they were working on at the time.
If I remember the story correctly the balloon was, as you said, to detect nuke detonations. When it crashed the government lied because they didn’t want anyone to know what they were up to.
That method of detection wasn’t very effective anyway, we figured out much more reliable means of detecting nuclear explosions right on the ground using resonance, but it was pretty obvious the government was lying, so of course peoples imaginations went wild with conspiracies and the ufo thing was born.
It was (and still is) a great thing for the US government, it deflects from what’s really going on and keeps the idiots busy chasing bullshit, and the enemies guessing as to what kind of tech they may really have. Toss them a bone once in awhile to keep the frenzy going and you have a reliable means of obfuscation for little to no effort.
Roswell was actually multiple incidents remembered incorrectly iirc
https://open.spotify.com/episode/7droUsVVRsNC3hCXQvd5ph?si=qRPRLKaaQWywq95fubt63Q
Good pod on the topic
Roswell was actually a turn of the millennium American television show
Pretty sure they just work on go-fast shit
They used to. They moved that to a different base. 51 is little more than a convenient decoy for lookyloos now.
This is actually where they make the $20,000 toilet seats.
Yeah. Groom lake. Outside of Vegas. Not much to see unless you draw attention by trespassing. So I hear. I drove out there once but didn’t get all that close. Anyway that facility was the base for the CIA A-12 planes, their version of the SR-71 Blackhawk.
SR-71 *blackbird :)
Now I’m remembering that “fastest things in the sky” copypasta lmao
Damn autocorrect lol
Bros, this is really easy: The US Air Force was developing all sorts of secret stuff during the Cold War, to keep it secret from, you know, the Russians.
When a secret spy balloon crashed in a public place in Roswell, the Air Force didn’t answer any direct questions and when someone asked if it could be aliens, their reply was, “it can be whatever you want!”
Part 2: Everyone forgot all about the whole event for 30 years, because it was completely unremarkable. Then, after the Watergate scandal, everyone was super suspicious of the government, because one conspiracy had just turned out to be true. And one guy got on the radio and was like, “yeah well the government even has aliens, remember Roswell?” And nobody did, so then they retold the story in the most suspicious way possible and he sold a ton of books.
And that’s where aliens come from.
And that’s where aliens come from.
When a mommy alien and a daddy alien love each other,
And if we’re being really honest, the government probably doesn’t mind the alien conspiracy theories at all because by having a fake reason to hate the government you’re distracted from the real reasons to hate them. People that focus on the fact that the government might be withholding information about aliens from them have a higher chance of forgetting about the government withholding things like healthcare, food security, student debt relief, public transportation, consumer rights, survivable minimum wages, etc etc.
The aliens were using an inflatable probe to monitor Earth’s weather conditions.
Why can’t they use an inflatable probe to monitor my prostate?
It was above his security level.
This I can absolutely believe. You really think the entrenched MICC is going to give him access?
MIster Chief Collection
Correct, Truman was not allowed to know about the Manhattan project until it was already viable and needed to be known.
Truman became president on April,12 1945. He was given a full briefing on the Manhattan project on April 24,1945. That doesn’t seem like he was being kept in the dark.
It was one of the most important and costly projects of the war, 12 days is a lifetime during a war quite literally. That’s also ignoring the fact that the vice president was kept in the dark until after FDR died and Truman took office.
That was the full briefing and Truman had been told about it earlier. And him not being told while he was vice president is irrelevant to information being withheld from a president.
That’s dated April 24.
It’s not, the administration by in large knew FDR was dying and would likely die before leaving office. Truman effectively was a president in waiting rather than a vice president.
“I mentioned it to you shortly after you took office …”
Yes that he needed to speak about something important. Draw your own implication but it doesn’t actually say what your implying it says.
They didn’t trust him so they never told him.
This. I bet half of his security briefings were just bullshit to make him feel important.
On the bright side, this also disproves all the Qanon shit
Did it need it?
At least alien life is a statistical near certainty. Intelligence, FTL, and a general willingness to be sneaky assholes about existing, not so much, but it’s probably somewhere out there, compared to a prophet that makes 100 predictions and gets 1 right.
How is it statistically near certainty?
The incomprehensible enormity of the universe. There are about 100,000 million stars just in the Milky Way galaxy. Two trillion galaxies lie in the observable universe. Based on Hubble ST observations, an estimated 6.25×10^18 stars have planets. If there is only a 1 in 1 billion chance of these planets supporting life, that’s still 6.25 billion planets. Of course we haven’t observed life outside earth yet despite such an high probability of it existing—that’s the Fermi Paradox. But anyway it is fairly widely accepted that life didn’t just evolve here on earth. When other life evolved is another question. Also there’s no guarantee we could detect it with telescopes (of any EM spectrum).
It’s not “fairly widely accepted”. The Fermi Paradox is based on the Drake Equation, which has a long chain of assumptions about how rare it is for life to form and grow. Life can easily be a one-off in general, since we don’t have good ranges for those measurements.
Our planet is perfect for life to form and, as far as we know, it only happened once here in billions of years.
Given how life started on earth almost immediately after it cooled down it is fairly widely accepted that there’s life out there. What level of complexity is up for debate. Also, if the universe is infinite and the laws of physics are the same everywhere, there is a 100% chance that there is an infinite number of exact replicas of earth and its history out there.
It’s not “fairly widely accepted” because there’s literally no evidence for it. Anything can happen once. Something happening once is not evidence of how common it is. For that, you need to count how often it happens. We have only the vaguest ideas about how common certain requirements are, and less information about potential hurdles.
That’s the point of the Fermi Paradox: if the Drake Equation estimates are right, we should see life everywhere in the universe. The fact that we see no life indicates that our assumptions are wrong.
It is incredibly arrogant to think that in something as unfathomably large as our the universe that humans are the only form of life.
Whether other life forms are advanced enough to be detected by us or even for space travel is an entirely different matter.
I’ll give you that the existance of simple life such as microbes is pretty widely accepted. But the existance of intelligent life besides us is absolutely NOT a statistical certainty.
The likelyhood of the circumstances that allowed us to exist repeating is simply that small.
Besides, there is the matter of time. No matter how many planets are out there, you need a fuck ton of time to get to intelligent life.
It took earth about 4 billion years to go from a heaping ball of fire to having humans in it. That’s almost 1/3 of the age of the fucking universe!
It doesn’t matter how many planets with life there are if they didn’t exist for long enough to reach the point we’re at.
Because the chances of Earth being a one-off are vanishingly small given how large we know the universe to be.
Yeah but what about time?
Given how insanely vast the universe is it is still a near statistical certainty their is currently other sapient life out there. The is also an extremely high chance that other sapient civilization lived and went extinct in many different parts of the universe already.
What about time?
time keeps slippin, slippin, slippin…
…into the future
It’s also on my side.
There never were aliens at Area 51.
It was all just a ruse to cover up even more dark shit.
Think of things banned by the Geneva convention, like biological weapons, torture techniques, war crimes, …
Making people think it is aliens makes it seem innocent by comparison.
torture techniques, war crimes,
Wouldn’t that be Guantanamo Bay?
The reason that people belived it was aliens is that people are stupid. Area 51 was a secret but not so much anymore. Now we know it was useful for secret projects like A-12. It’s a convenient place to do test flights of secret shit.
The same Trump who didn’t read intelligence briefings? They probably handed him one on day one that explained aliens and Area 51 are all real and he used it to wipe burger grease off his mouth while he was writing a Tweet with his other hand in all caps.
I mean Area 51 definitely exists, it’s in Nevada, they test experimental aircraft there.
Woah, I forgot about least I could do. I used to read that all the time In high school.
Penny arcade is apparently also around, I saw something about them a couple months ago. And questionable content. Can’t say I like the way any of their art styles developed but I’m impressed they kept any sort of readership for this long.
What “questionable content”? I mean, they’ve always had that, I’m just curious what specifically you’re talking about.
As for the art style, yes, Mike has purposely refused to stick to any specific style and just kind of does what he wants. Which has resulted in some art a lot of people aren’t fond of (myself included) but at least he’s still trying new things. I mean, in a world where most comics that gain notoriety are deliberately bad or simplistic art that often isn’t even colored, it’s nice that PA is still trucking along actually drawing real art.
Honestly, Penny Arcade has kind of just become like any comic strip: you read it every now and again, you aren’t checking in regularly. And it’s only partially the comics, the other half are Jerry’s attached blog posts which are usually worth a read.
I keep coming back to it because it’s interesting seeing these guys grow up. There was one recently where Gabe tells the reader “if you were reading early Penny Arcade in college, it’s time to get your prostate checked”.
What “questionable content”? I mean, they’ve always had that, I’m just curious what specifically you’re talking about.
Pretty sure they mean Questionable Content, the webcomic.
As someone else said, questionable content was another welcoming from the same time period as the other two which I also learned recently is still publishing.
Of course Penny Arcade is still around. They host some of the biggest video game expos that still run: PAX.
I stopped reading it (and a few other web comics) when Google Reader went away.
I had the exact same response. Rayne has a girlfriend now? (Wait do I even remember his name correctly?)
Yes, it’s Rayne. And he’s been with Julie for years (I still read it daily).
Really? What’s the gimmick (By lack of beter word) of Rayne now he’s not a slut anymore?
Trying to raise his niece (who lives with him), navigating his relationship, some silly hijinks and adventures still.
Aliens are glad to see you upvoting this meme.
Are people really just now figuring this out?
Some haven’t figured it out yet.
Well - didn’t he try? If I am not wrong - the latest string of UFO / UAP reports started during the Trump presidency. I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump was the one who asked the Pentagon to “show the people the aliens” - in hopes that it will change the nations focus from his own mental or moral disabilities. And the Pentagon has obliged - and showed people the aliens in all their glory. 👽
The result is that now we know much more about various optical illusions that happen in military binoculars, telescopes and such - than we did ever before.
Wait, so you’re attributing things that were seen on scanners and with the naked eye of military pilots were optical illusions? Has this been confirmed with any credibility? Or are you using your “common sense”
Well - the videos don’t look very persuasive to me, I am not an expert though. But judging from the same wikipedia article experts weren’t impressed either… I mean even Pentagon itself comments that
“UAP probably lack a single explanation”, and proposed five possible categories of explanation: airborne clutter, natural atmospheric phenomena, US government or industry development technology, foreign craft, and an “Other” category
When you say aliens - I am thinking something like the “Close Encounters of the Third Kind” - and all I got was learning about bokeh and paralax 😇
Presidents don’t get that information. It’s on a need-to-know proprietary basis only. I was in the Army in military intelligence and there was indeed a portal in our computer system regarding UFOs and aliens but I did not have access to it because it was not part of my job. The closest we’ve heard of Presidents knowing about aliens is when Bill Clinton pontificated about it on some late-night talk show.
Alien conspirarcy theories worked as a baseline test for the CIA to track how effective propoganda and misinformation is before they rolled out the same techniques in places that it mattered for US foriegn policy interests.
Source?
https://sgp.fas.org/library/ciaufo.html
https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/the-truth-was-out-there-on-the-legacy-of-art-bell
https://www.nytimes.com/1997/08/03/us/cia-admits-government-lied-about-ufo-sightings.html
I should say, this is mostly speculation based on reading a lot of COINTELPRO and MKULTRA stuff, it seems likely a way to test obsfoucating military technology through misinformation.
Furthermore if you notice the global UFO reported sightings, it seems to only line up with where American media has a hegemony, which is strange considering China has nearly 2 billion people in it, you’d think one of them might have seen one; it seems to only be where american media has reach that ‘UFOs’ start to appear and I dont think thats an accident.
Interesting stuff - thanks
