It is entirely untrue. Where as you made the claim, and I am merely calling you a liar while making no claim of my own, it would seem that you must prove your claim with say a sales promotion or some other solicitation plus a credible report that these updates would otherwise exist without the charge from those whose business use case depends upon them.
If you wish to hate upon ubuntu do so, but don’t lie about it.
In both Debian and Ubuntu, only the main repo gets official security updates for free. Ubuntu has a paid option for universe whereas Debian doesn’t have that option and relies on the package maintainer to provide any updates.
I’d still recommend Debian over Ubuntu though, for various reasons.
Package maintainers can be slow to update packages though. Debian have a separate security team that get patches out ASAP, and those packages go into a separate security repo. I imagine Ubuntu does the same. It’s that security team that only deals with “official” packages, meaning anything that’s not in contrib, non-free, or non-free-firmware.
What you’re paying extra for are timely security updates for community-maintained packages that aren’t an official part of the OS. Debian doesn’t provide that for free either. Debian doesnt provide it at all since they don’t have any paid options.
Gonna switch my server to Debian once DigitalOcean releases their Debian 12 guides.
Tired of seeing this “extended-security maintenance” bullshit on the most recent LTS of Ubuntu.
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this stinks a lot like red hat’s early days.
we know how that turned out.
Looks like Canonical is trying to sell me security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.
Debian 12 likely isn’t that different, but I don’t want to follow a Debian 11 setup guide then run into issues.
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debian’s repo is massive. there are holes here and there from time-to-time as is likely the case in any distro–paid updates or not.
Thank you for the information.
I’ll still be going with Debian because Ubuntu keeps telling me I have 2 security updates locked behind their paywall.
Nope. Not accurate at all.
Really? Why?
Because the updates are not anyone “trying to sell me security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.”
Really? Which part isn’t true, the selling me updates or that they’re available on Debian?
Come on man, use your words lol.
It is entirely untrue. Where as you made the claim, and I am merely calling you a liar while making no claim of my own, it would seem that you must prove your claim with say a sales promotion or some other solicitation plus a credible report that these updates would otherwise exist without the charge from those whose business use case depends upon them.
If you wish to hate upon ubuntu do so, but don’t lie about it.
Lol, okay buddy.
Debian
contribdoesn’t get official security updates, the same as Ubuntuuniverse. https://www.debian.org/security/faq#contribIn both Debian and Ubuntu, only the main repo gets official security updates for free. Ubuntu has a paid option for
universewhereas Debian doesn’t have that option and relies on the package maintainer to provide any updates.I’d still recommend Debian over Ubuntu though, for various reasons.
Do users get the package maintainer’s updates for free?
Definitely on Debian, and I think on Ubuntu too.
Package maintainers can be slow to update packages though. Debian have a separate security team that get patches out ASAP, and those packages go into a separate security repo. I imagine Ubuntu does the same. It’s that security team that only deals with “official” packages, meaning anything that’s not in contrib, non-free, or non-free-firmware.
To me, it looks like Debian and Ubuntu are both secure but you have to pay extra to make Ubuntu at least as secure as Debian.
What you’re paying extra for are timely security updates for community-maintained packages that aren’t an official part of the OS. Debian doesn’t provide that for free either. Debian doesnt provide it at all since they don’t have any paid options.
So users just run insecure packages on Debian?
If it’s just the message that bugs you, you can disable ESM by commenting out the esm repo (the second answer here). That’s what I did.
The message is definitely annoying, but the fact they’re locking security updates behind paywalls makes me want to switch.
Just doesn’t make sense to pay extra for security updates when Debian gives them out for free.
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