It is entirely untrue. Where as you made the claim, and I am merely calling you a liar while making no claim of my own, it would seem that you must prove your claim with say a sales promotion or some other solicitation plus a credible report that these updates would otherwise exist without the charge from those whose business use case depends upon them.
If you wish to hate upon ubuntu do so, but don’t lie about it.
In both Debian and Ubuntu, only the main repo gets official security updates for free. Ubuntu has a paid option for universe whereas Debian doesn’t have that option and relies on the package maintainer to provide any updates.
I’d still recommend Debian over Ubuntu though, for various reasons.
Package maintainers can be slow to update packages though. Debian have a separate security team that get patches out ASAP, and those packages go into a separate security repo. I imagine Ubuntu does the same. It’s that security team that only deals with “official” packages, meaning anything that’s not in contrib, non-free, or non-free-firmware.
What you’re paying extra for are timely security updates for community-maintained packages that aren’t an official part of the OS. Debian doesn’t provide that for free either. Debian doesnt provide it at all since they don’t have any paid options.
No. All the official packages in the main repo get security updates from the Debian security team.
Only the packages in contrib, non-free and non-free-firmware don’t have official security updates and rely on the package maintainers. These are not considered part of the Debian distro, and I don’t even have them enabled on my servers.
Out-of-the-box, Debian only enables the main repo, plus the non-free-firmware one if any of your devices require it (e.g. Nvidia graphics, Realtek Bluetooth, etc). You have to manually enable contrib and non-free, and by doing that, it’s assumed you know what you’re doing.
In the case of non-free and non-free-firmware, they can be closed source software (like the Nvidia drivers) or have a non-open-source license that doesn’t allow distributing modified versions. In those cases, the Debian team is unable to patch them even if they wanted to.
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this stinks a lot like red hat’s early days.
we know how that turned out.
Looks like Canonical is trying to sell me security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.
Debian 12 likely isn’t that different, but I don’t want to follow a Debian 11 setup guide then run into issues.
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debian’s repo is massive. there are holes here and there from time-to-time as is likely the case in any distro–paid updates or not.
Thank you for the information.
I’ll still be going with Debian because Ubuntu keeps telling me I have 2 security updates locked behind their paywall.
Nope. Not accurate at all.
Really? Why?
Because the updates are not anyone “trying to sell me security updates I would be getting for free on Debian.”
Really? Which part isn’t true, the selling me updates or that they’re available on Debian?
Come on man, use your words lol.
It is entirely untrue. Where as you made the claim, and I am merely calling you a liar while making no claim of my own, it would seem that you must prove your claim with say a sales promotion or some other solicitation plus a credible report that these updates would otherwise exist without the charge from those whose business use case depends upon them.
If you wish to hate upon ubuntu do so, but don’t lie about it.
Lol, okay buddy.
Debian
contribdoesn’t get official security updates, the same as Ubuntuuniverse. https://www.debian.org/security/faq#contribIn both Debian and Ubuntu, only the main repo gets official security updates for free. Ubuntu has a paid option for
universewhereas Debian doesn’t have that option and relies on the package maintainer to provide any updates.I’d still recommend Debian over Ubuntu though, for various reasons.
Do users get the package maintainer’s updates for free?
Definitely on Debian, and I think on Ubuntu too.
Package maintainers can be slow to update packages though. Debian have a separate security team that get patches out ASAP, and those packages go into a separate security repo. I imagine Ubuntu does the same. It’s that security team that only deals with “official” packages, meaning anything that’s not in contrib, non-free, or non-free-firmware.
To me, it looks like Debian and Ubuntu are both secure but you have to pay extra to make Ubuntu at least as secure as Debian.
What you’re paying extra for are timely security updates for community-maintained packages that aren’t an official part of the OS. Debian doesn’t provide that for free either. Debian doesnt provide it at all since they don’t have any paid options.
So users just run insecure packages on Debian?
No. All the official packages in the
mainrepo get security updates from the Debian security team.Only the packages in
contrib,non-freeandnon-free-firmwaredon’t have official security updates and rely on the package maintainers. These are not considered part of the Debian distro, and I don’t even have them enabled on my servers.Out-of-the-box, Debian only enables the
mainrepo, plus thenon-free-firmwareone if any of your devices require it (e.g. Nvidia graphics, Realtek Bluetooth, etc). You have to manually enablecontribandnon-free, and by doing that, it’s assumed you know what you’re doing.In the case of
non-freeandnon-free-firmware, they can be closed source software (like the Nvidia drivers) or have a non-open-source license that doesn’t allow distributing modified versions. In those cases, the Debian team is unable to patch them even if they wanted to.