• Hot Saucerman
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    10 months ago

    …and now they’re in a shelter in place because of *checks notes unexpected rain, unusual climate change related weather.

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    10 months ago

    attack the big corporations instead

    That’s the problem though. How do you even do that?

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      10 months ago

      Like this

      On December 10th, at around 6 p.m., 200 environmental activists suddenly stormed and “invaded” a Lafarge company cement factory of La Malle in Bouc-Bel-Air in the Bouches-du-Rhone, Provence-Alpes-Côte d’Azur region in Southern France. Infrastructure at the plant was reportedly attacked using a variety of methods, including: sabotage of incinerators and electrical systems and devices; cable cutting; bags of cement cut open and spilled; damage to vehicles and construction equipment; damaged windows; and graffiti spraying.

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        Yep, don’t remember who it was that I heard say something along the line of “If climate activists were really convinced they want to end the system that they can’t deny is profitable to them, car dealerships wouldn’t be able to have SUVs on their lot as they would be set on fire during the night, airports would get vandalized, gas stations blown up…”

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          They are quite serious. you may not agree with their tactics. none the less they are the ones putting themselves out there.

          I do agree with you on some points. when I lived in Berlin their were people making gentrification difficult by placing small firelighters under the wheels of expensive cars on the streets.

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          Which would make no news, because it can be hidden away (as few people are affected by it), while landing the protestors in jail for ages due to destruction of private property.

          In conclusion, unless it’s a mass action by a significant percentage of the population, it would have little effect.

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          10 months ago

          If I burn down an SUV, will this create less or more pollution than if it’s driven and totalled after 80000km?

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              The only thing that is happening will be the company being able to sell another one. There should be tax incentives to not drive SUVs like taxing by weight and motor power. The SUV was initially loved because of tax exemptions for ‘light trucks’ in the USA.

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        Does this actually do anything though? Insurance will just pay out and they’ll maybe have slightly higher rates.

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          Loss of factory working days is a huge loss. Additionally, the more likely this is to happen, the more expensive said insurance will become, or insurers will just stop offering insurance.

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            No. Such insurances are mandatory by law; in extremis, a government agency would force an insurance to take the risk.

            What will sooner happen is the factory installing higher and thoughervfences, install security cameras, keep dogs on th grounds and hire security.

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          I’ve never heard of insurance for large scale projects which can lose tends of thousands to millions of dollars per operations day lost. That’s normally eaten by the company’s savings or loans. Maybe it’s different in France.

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        Idiotic.

        1. All that shit is insured

        2. The people doing this, if they get caught get massive fines and jail.

        3. Nothing changes


        France has a democratic system. You want to make actual change, get involved in politics.

        This highschool vandalism bullshit accomplishes nothing, except make environmentalist look like lunatics.

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          If it’s done enough, projects get delayed, profit is lost and insurance costs sky rocket.

          Real politics is something you get invited to, not involved in.

          No matter what climate activist do, they get shit on by people like you because big oil tells you what they do is bad. Stop being part of the problem.

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        Individual action within the rules of capitalism will never be enough to actually get stuff done. @punkisundead@slrpnk.net has the right idea here. If you want to actually hinder the corporations, you need to make it impossible to stay in business, no matter how they influence the government and rig the system in their favor.

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          Individual action is what spin everything to begin with, don’t downplay it. If you teach everyone good ethics these companies are over in 24h

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    I watched with no audio, but was there something that made it appropriate for the ranger to pull a gun on those protesters?

    I don’t know that blocking a road like an asshat merits deadly force.

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    Holy shit those YouTube comments are disgusting. Fuck these burner fucks and their $100k glamping vans.

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      The problem is that then the people are never heard. I used to think this way too but they have a point, if they aren’t literally in your face, you’re going to walk right past them. We’ve all seen people on the sidewalk handing out flyers trying to get the word out - how many of us stop to read it? <10%? <1%?

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          It’s a no win scenario no matter what, that’s what I mean. If they get in your face people don’t like them and we get these arguments. If they protest over there in the protest spot they get ignored. If no one protests then nothing gets done. There are no valid options. I don’t like it, but I don’t blame them either for being frustrated that no one cares

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        You don’t need to take and read their flyer to get the message… I can agree with their message, and still be pissed off that they’re causing a disruption in my day. These kinds of people only hurt the cause.

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      If you’re not actively involved in a movement, your thoughts on the effectiveness of the actions of people in the movement are wholly irrelevant.

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        If you’re not actively involved in a movement your thoughts on the effectiveness of it are relevant because you’re one of the people it is trying to affect.

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          You’re maybe one of the people they’re trying to reach. If so, thoughts along the lines of “I don’t like this behavior” might be helpful for the people working to strategize in the movement. Responding to a protest with “I don’t think this will be effective in convincing people” says one of a few things:

          1. “I agree with some of the goals of the movement on the surface, but I would rather start a conversation about civility than about the actual problems they’re trying to bring attention to”
          2. “I disagree with their goals and I would rather shift the conversation to be about civility than to have to defend my position”
          3. “I’m apathetic to their goals and I don’t like being inconvenienced, so all I care about is how civil they are being”

          Every one of these is an attempt to derail the conversation due to emotions ranging from discomfort to malice, and none of them are worth engaging in.