I’m helping a family member build a pc. He wanted to use Windows because “Linux can’t play games” despite me having a perfectly good gaming laptop running Linux that runs all my games, even graphically intensive ones.

2 days later, no game has been played yet. We can’t even get steam to start. I even installed Arch on a sata ssd I donated just to verify the pc parts actually work (took less than an hour). It took 1 and a half days to even get the Windows 11 installer to get past like the 3rd screen.

Fucking fuck. Dealing with all this fucking bullshit is far worse than not being able to play a few trashy anticheat pay 2 win games. The anti Linux circlejerk is real.

  • dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works
    13323·
    1 year ago

    You missed the part where you either sign in with your Microsoft account or cut your Internet, remove the webcam, fake your own death, and do the secret tap code in the bios to just have the OS without letting Microsoft into your butthole.

    • mestari@lemmy.world
      5834·
      1 year ago

      Windows 11 doesn’t force you do any of that. Just skip the sign in. Your points were valid in 8/10 era but no more.

      • jecht360@lemmy.worldEnglish
        471·
        1 year ago

        It depends on the version, but yes, it does. It’s especially a problem on prebuilt machines and laptops. It is incredibly annoying to work with in a corporate environment. Our helpdesk tech comes to me with issues related to this probably three times a week. I gave up with work arounds and we just have a throwaway Microsoft account now.

            • IverCoder@lemm.eeEnglish
              51·
              1 year ago

              Windows app for flashing ISOs to your USB. It provides additional options for flashing Windows 11.

          • jecht360@lemmy.worldEnglish
            21·
            1 year ago

            I’ve seen that before, but when I proposed that as a solution it was shot down due to being unsupported by Microsoft. I just wish they had an OEM option to skip it.

      • const_void
        3511·
        1 year ago

        Not true. 11 very much still forces you to use an MS account.

        • zenharbinger@lemmy.world
          12·
          1 year ago

          There is a secret command you can do to setup without Internet. But they hide it on the startup command line.

          On the “Oops, you’ve lost internet connection” or “Let’s connect you to a network” page, use the “Shift + F10” keyboard shortcut.

          In Command Prompt, type the OOBE\BYPASSNRO command to bypass network requirements on Windows 11 and press Enter.

          • LUHG@lemmy.world
            11·
            1 year ago

            Home won’t let you do domain join, I think you have to go halfway through setup then select local account.

            • Bobert@sh.itjust.works
              36·
              1 year ago

              Why would absolutely anyone on this sub install Home? Microsoft themselves make a multi-edition .iso available on their website. And funnily enough now, Microsoft supports the hosting of massgravel. Should it take as many steps as it does two make a local account? No, but it’s literally two extra clicks.

              • LUHG@lemmy.world
                3·
                1 year ago

                We are talking about a product not for ourselves. Pro is twice the price of home as well.

      • myersguy@lemmy.simpl.website
        19·
        1 year ago

        I just installed 11 recently. There isn’t a skip button anymore. I had to enter fake sign in details for it to give me the “offline” option.

        So it seems like their point may still stand.

        • mestari@lemmy.world
          5·
          1 year ago

          Someone pointed out that Pro version still doesn’t require sign in. I’ve only dealt with Pro and didn’t know it’s different than Home in this thing. Sorry for being overly confident.

      • priapus@sh.itjust.works
        81·
        1 year ago

        That’s not accurate. The new versions of Windows 11 make you restart the OOBE with a flag to disable the MS login requirement. His points also weren’t valid during the 8/10 era, because back then you could just click offline experience at the bottom left. You didn’t even need to disable WiFi, just don’t connect.

        Edit: Seems Pro lets you install without an account, home does not. Most of the laptops I’ve worked on come with home.

        • mestari@lemmy.world
          2·
          1 year ago

          Ah I’m sorry I’ve installed Win11 on several computers but they’ve all been Pro version. I didn’t know that Home is different.

      • spare_muppets@lemmy.ca
        1·
        6 months ago

        Not true on Windows 11 home that ships with new hardware. You need to disable all network connections and run some terminal commands to set up a local account. It is not convenient at all. Granted you can easily add a local account, after you have set it up with a Microsoft account, but that sort of defeats the purpose.