The large venues usually have an exclusivity deal with a ticket seller like Ticketmaster or AXS. So if they want to play massive stadiums, no they don’t have a choice but to use Ticketmaster. It’s on the venue, not the performer.
Taylor is big enough where she could have made a better/different deal. I’m sure slightly smaller venues would bend over backwards to have her, this was purely a greed thing.
That’s not really how the corporate world works. There’s billion dollar contracts involved that are much bigger than one artists tour. No matter how big they are. It’s use Ticketmaster, or you can’t use our venue. Full stop.
You’re making a statement without addressing the heart of the discussion. Artists like Taylor Swift are much bigger than Ticketmaster. If she actually used her platform and her voice to go against TM, she could effect a real change. But she (and so many other big artists) choose not to
How does it benefit Taylor Swift to have ticket master take a bigger cut? The best thing for her to do would be to sell the tickets directly through her site, not working with ticket master
Then, like, don’t play massive stadiums then? If Taylor Swift (don’t care about her but it’s kinda the main point of this thread) actually listened to her fans and decided postpone and restructure her tour around smaller independent venues and sell non-transferable tickets directly to fans she could’ve started a real change in the live music community. But she didn’t. Because, ya know, it wouldn’t make as much money.
But then only a tiny fraction of her fans would be able to see her at all. Even if she did round the clock shows she wouldn’t compete with the density those mega venues provide.
Seriously. I went and saw ratm a couple years ago since my buddy had bought tickets ($120 each BTW) and there were advertisements EVERYWHERE. It was like a late stage capitalist hellscape which was made even worse knowing the band I was going to see claimed to be against all that. It was fucking horrible.
Yeah let’s sell out a fucking arena so we can have all these drunk gen x assholes complain about how the band has gotten too political when we say the supreme court sucks. It was soooo fucking cringe
Yuck. I was invited to a Tyler the Creator concert last year and it was awful. Billboards everywhere in the city and hours of standing in line. We were in the first 10 rows of the crowd but could hardly see anything with all the camera crews, security, and the height of the stage. I wont even go into how bad the crowd was.
Yeah but we’re not talking about Ticketmaster fees, we’re talking about ticket prices. If you exclude the fees and just talk about the ticket price itself, they were $79 each, which further invalidates this “infographic” if you can even call it that.
Ticketmaster sucks fucking ass, no debate, but that’s not the point here.
And also, saying any artist “chose” to list on Ticketmaster is kind of disingenuous, almost every large stadium and venue (in the US at least) has a contractual requirement to only sell through Ticketmaster, which, again, is proof that Ticketmaster sucks fucking ass, but isn’t really any artist’s fault. It’s the Ticketmaster monopoly.
Other than understating the old ticket prices, non of the reality of Ticketmaster invalidates the point that capitalism has made concerts much more expensive.
No, the Elvis cocert didnt include $60 in fee on that ticket.
The problem is the insinuation made by the infographic is that artists are to blame for ticket prices.
This would be a much more powerful (and factually accurate) infographic if it focused on fees and how Ticketmaster is largely to blame for the balloon in costs for event tickets over the last few decades.
But it doesn’t say that, at all.
Also, the fees per ticket for Taylor Swift were $22. Not cheap by any means, and a total rip off, again, at the fault of Ticketmaster. But let’s not throw around made up numbers if we’re trying to be factual.
I never thought the infographic was insinuating it was the artists fault.
Its the record companies and promotion companies and everyone else who uses capital to lay claim to any resources they can and then use that control to leverage greater and greater profits at the cost of everyone else.
I find your arguments sound and well-sourced, and I appreciate you sharing your experience.
Utterly unsure of where the controversy is, but those downdoots are lookin mighty. I think it’s important for communists to do self-reflection like this. We have the truth on our side, and should be willing to criticize ourselves for accidentally spreading dis/misinformation. I’ve had to do it. I apologized and rectified my mistake to the people I misinformed, even though I agreed with the ideals what I shared presented. (In this case, the thing I shared was a completely believable mass shooter’s alleged Facebook post about hating Asian women, right before he murdered them. The post was faked. It presented the shooter as a vile racist, which he most certainly was – he killed 8 people, 6 of them being Asian women – so why fucking fake it?
I’d wager to create traps for us to fall into, so we can be discredited and ignored. But I’m pretty paranoid.
The point is still the same when the true numbers are shown, and it still hits hard enough. There is absolutely no need to lie or exaggerate. Why did the creator of this graph?
Taylor Swift chose to list on Ticketmaster with full knowledge that those fees would be included.
They sometimes don’t have a choice. But also fuck Ticketmaster https://youtu.be/-_Y7uqqEFnY
They always have a choice lmao
The large venues usually have an exclusivity deal with a ticket seller like Ticketmaster or AXS. So if they want to play massive stadiums, no they don’t have a choice but to use Ticketmaster. It’s on the venue, not the performer.
So what you’re saying is, we need to build out own arena with hookers and gambling?
Taylor is big enough where she could have made a better/different deal. I’m sure slightly smaller venues would bend over backwards to have her, this was purely a greed thing.
That’s not really how the corporate world works. There’s billion dollar contracts involved that are much bigger than one artists tour. No matter how big they are. It’s use Ticketmaster, or you can’t use our venue. Full stop.
You’re making a statement without addressing the heart of the discussion. Artists like Taylor Swift are much bigger than Ticketmaster. If she actually used her platform and her voice to go against TM, she could effect a real change. But she (and so many other big artists) choose not to
How does it benefit Taylor Swift to have ticket master take a bigger cut? The best thing for her to do would be to sell the tickets directly through her site, not working with ticket master
Then, like, don’t play massive stadiums then? If Taylor Swift (don’t care about her but it’s kinda the main point of this thread) actually listened to her fans and decided postpone and restructure her tour around smaller independent venues and sell non-transferable tickets directly to fans she could’ve started a real change in the live music community. But she didn’t. Because, ya know, it wouldn’t make as much money.
But then only a tiny fraction of her fans would be able to see her at all. Even if she did round the clock shows she wouldn’t compete with the density those mega venues provide.
As opposed to only a tiny fraction of her (rich) fans? Doesn’t really seem like an argument to me
Seriously. I went and saw ratm a couple years ago since my buddy had bought tickets ($120 each BTW) and there were advertisements EVERYWHERE. It was like a late stage capitalist hellscape which was made even worse knowing the band I was going to see claimed to be against all that. It was fucking horrible.
Yeah let’s sell out a fucking arena so we can have all these drunk gen x assholes complain about how the band has gotten too political when we say the supreme court sucks. It was soooo fucking cringe
Yuck. I was invited to a Tyler the Creator concert last year and it was awful. Billboards everywhere in the city and hours of standing in line. We were in the first 10 rows of the crowd but could hardly see anything with all the camera crews, security, and the height of the stage. I wont even go into how bad the crowd was.
I’ll take smaller venues every day.
So what would you do under the regime?
not sell my soul to corporations, taylor swift doesnt need more money
Yeah but we’re not talking about Ticketmaster fees, we’re talking about ticket prices. If you exclude the fees and just talk about the ticket price itself, they were $79 each, which further invalidates this “infographic” if you can even call it that.
Ticketmaster sucks fucking ass, no debate, but that’s not the point here.
And also, saying any artist “chose” to list on Ticketmaster is kind of disingenuous, almost every large stadium and venue (in the US at least) has a contractual requirement to only sell through Ticketmaster, which, again, is proof that Ticketmaster sucks fucking ass, but isn’t really any artist’s fault. It’s the Ticketmaster monopoly.
Other than understating the old ticket prices, non of the reality of Ticketmaster invalidates the point that capitalism has made concerts much more expensive.
No, the Elvis cocert didnt include $60 in fee on that ticket.
The problem is the insinuation made by the infographic is that artists are to blame for ticket prices.
This would be a much more powerful (and factually accurate) infographic if it focused on fees and how Ticketmaster is largely to blame for the balloon in costs for event tickets over the last few decades.
But it doesn’t say that, at all.
Also, the fees per ticket for Taylor Swift were $22. Not cheap by any means, and a total rip off, again, at the fault of Ticketmaster. But let’s not throw around made up numbers if we’re trying to be factual.
I never thought the infographic was insinuating it was the artists fault.
Its the record companies and promotion companies and everyone else who uses capital to lay claim to any resources they can and then use that control to leverage greater and greater profits at the cost of everyone else.
In other words, capitalism.
I find your arguments sound and well-sourced, and I appreciate you sharing your experience.
Utterly unsure of where the controversy is, but those downdoots are lookin mighty. I think it’s important for communists to do self-reflection like this. We have the truth on our side, and should be willing to criticize ourselves for accidentally spreading dis/misinformation. I’ve had to do it. I apologized and rectified my mistake to the people I misinformed, even though I agreed with the ideals what I shared presented. (In this case, the thing I shared was a completely believable mass shooter’s alleged Facebook post about hating Asian women, right before he murdered them. The post was faked. It presented the shooter as a vile racist, which he most certainly was – he killed 8 people, 6 of them being Asian women – so why fucking fake it?
I’d wager to create traps for us to fall into, so we can be discredited and ignored. But I’m pretty paranoid.
The point is still the same when the true numbers are shown, and it still hits hard enough. There is absolutely no need to lie or exaggerate. Why did the creator of this graph?